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re: Why is it assumed Texas can pull a big name?

Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:03 am to
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:03 am to
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Just too many people and the traffic Sucks. The roads were designed by a blind man in a closet drawing with a crayon.


Eh, this only matters for the poors in the burbs. Austin is a town you have to have money in order to enjoy. If you don't it's just like anywhere else. I live smack-dab in the middle of it all, 8 minutes from work, 3 minutes from a grocery store, surrounded by great bars and running trails, easy access to downtown. I don't have to leave my bubble, so I don't experience the traffic element. If I did have to live in the burbs I wouldn't live here. It'd be better to live in suburban Houston or Dallas in that case.

A coach could live on Lake Austin and have simultaneous cliff views of the lake and downtown. At the times he'd be going to and coming from work, the traffic would be a non-issue. At those times it'd be like a 15 minute drive.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
9191 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:05 am to
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Look at the pic in the post above yours



That pic looked like it was from the seventies and it certainly doesn't look like this video.

LINK

A for effort from the Aggies, though.



Did you watch the video and compare it to Bama or A&M's? It's a joke. All Texas did was put up some FatHeads on the walls and buy some new weights (which aren't anything special). I love the part where he talks about the 60 meter 4 lane track and then you can see how the 2 outside lanes have columns or other equipment on them so you can't really even use them. They still have raised platforms for their weights which are outdated and dangerous because you can trip on them (most of the SEC has flush platforms). Place looks like a cave. He even goes on about the chrome weights but then you look around and most of their weights are different colors.

Here is the A&M weight room video: LINK

Notice how much more open it is, both taller and wider with lots of light. The platforms are all flush. The weights are all coordinated. The workout machines are all computerized to measure workouts in minute detail as every player logs in and are recorded on 2 different cameras to observe technique. There is a wall of 25 coordinated TV's for various things to be displayed.

Bama's is similarly impressive as is LSU's, though each has different attributes. Texas easily trails all 3 though. Tennessee has a great facility, so does USC and Oregon. Honestly I think you would struggle to say that Texas is Top 10 in facilities.

Another real problem they have is they built the indoor facility on top of the weight room and both are too small. Thus in order to keep up they are going to have to tear the whole thing down and start over. It was really cool when it was built but I would think a lot of recruits chuckle under their breath as some Texas coach is telling them how they have the best facilities when that kid has just toured at A&M, Bama, or LSU. It's not only wrong it makes the coach look like an idiot.
Posted by PoppaD
Texas
Member since Feb 2008
5325 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:15 am to
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Why do people try to act like the fact that Austin is this great town has any bearing on luring a coach? The locale is irrelevant considering the fact that most head coaches live in exclusive, gated neighborhoods and spend practically 90% of their non-sleeping time at the facility or recruiting.


I think this is overplayed or over used. I think the draw of Austin is in regards to the fan base. Austin is a great place to live if your a college coach. Half of the people that live here have no connection to ut so don't care much. The city is very educated. The media is very friendly to the football coach. The fans expect wins but don't go full gump tard on you. The coach can actually go out to dinner and enjoy himself.

All of these things lead to a little less retard fan in the fan base. As a longhorn coach, you don't have as much of the retard wait all day to give you a kiss at the local walmart fan.

Sure ut fan base can be tough to deal with, but not like somewhere like Bama where every fan goes full gump tard because of one loss after the best run in college football.

Texas, while big time is a much lower pressure place then Bama, auburn, or lsu. The fans don't derive all their self worth from how the football team played that week.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 11:18 am
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:26 am to
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Did you watch the video and compare it to Bama or A&M's? It's a joke. All Texas did was put up some FatHeads on the walls and buy some new weights (which aren't anything special). I love the part where he talks about the 60 meter 4 lane track and then you can see how the 2 outside lanes have columns or other equipment on them so you can't really even use them. They still have raised platforms for their weights which are outdated and dangerous because you can trip on them (most of the SEC has flush platforms). Place looks like a cave. He even goes on about the chrome weights but then you look around and most of their weights are different colors.

Here is the A&M weight room video: LINK

Notice how much more open it is, both taller and wider with lots of light. The platforms are all flush. The weights are all coordinated. The workout machines are all computerized to measure workouts in minute detail as every player logs in and are recorded on 2 different cameras to observe technique. There is a wall of 25 coordinated TV's for various things to be displayed.

Bama's is similarly impressive as is LSU's, though each has different attributes. Texas easily trails all 3 though. Tennessee has a great facility, so does USC and Oregon. Honestly I think you would struggle to say that Texas is Top 10 in facilities.

Another real problem they have is they built the indoor facility on top of the weight room and both are too small. Thus in order to keep up they are going to have to tear the whole thing down and start over. It was really cool when it was built but I would think a lot of recruits chuckle under their breath as some Texas coach is telling them how they have the best facilities when that kid has just toured at A&M, Bama, or LSU. It's not only wrong it makes the coach look like an idiot.


Is there anything about t.u. that you don't know about? You have studied it more than I have. Wonder why?
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
20917 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:27 am to
Nice deflect
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
9191 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:13 pm to
First off, you can learn all I have said about Texas in 15 minutes of Youtube videos. Also, I do live in Austin though so it is hard not to know something about Texas. Mainly though, you hear all the Texas claims of superiority and it makes you curious to see what is legit and what isn't, after all we still compete with Texas heavily in recruiting.

Sounds like you are a typical Texas tshirt fan that gets most of your information from Ketchum and thinks the world revolves around Bellmont.
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 1:47 pm to
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Sounds like you are a typical Texas tshirt fan that gets most of your information from Ketchum and thinks the world revolves around Bellmont.


Careful now, don't make a fool of yourself. I know you are biased, but don't make statements about me which you know nothing about.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20218 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 1:52 pm to
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Waterfalls man….fricking waterfalls


Sad truth...Oregon's is even better. Those are the only facilities in the country I'm jealous of.

I really don't think it would matter though, you could spend anything, Phil Knight would take one look at it, stroke a check to Oregon and tell them "top it".
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85780 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 2:00 pm to
For one thing, Texas is carrying the banner for the country in a way it arguably hasn't previously (I'm sure Texas residents will object).

But anyway, you're talking about the banner school for America's most competitive state. It's an attractive job, or at least has the raw potential to be.
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
20917 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 3:50 pm to
Are you fricking joking?? Good lord
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85780 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 4:00 pm to
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Are you fricking joking?? Good lord


What did I say that is even close to being disputable?
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
9191 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 4:34 pm to
For all I know you have 2 PhD's from Texas, but you are the one that said you didn't even know some basic information about your program. At the same time you boast the greatness of Texas on a regular basis. You SOUND like a tshirt fan, doesn't mean you are one but I don't give a damn either way.

Nice deflection btw, did you actually watch either of the videos or have you seen any of the other facilities around the country at places like USC, Oregon, UT, LSU, etc. that are easily accessible on Youtube? I'm sure Texas can build some new facilities but I haven't heard any plans to that effect. It also seems odd since you put out that puff piece just earlier this year to highlight your behind the times weight room.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34903 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 4:48 pm to
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They're constrained by being located in the downtown area of a major city


Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 4:49 pm to
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It also seems odd since you put out that puff piece just earlier this year to highlight your behind the times weight room.


Puff piece? You're taking this message board stuff way too seriously. Have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm sure you will research it and show me.
Posted by JLock
Member since Jun 2011
4988 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:00 pm to
I'm only 20 right now, and started watching Texas football when I was 4/5, however old I was in Mack's first season, so I don't know too much personally about the state of the program before he came in. But, from what my dad has told me, the job wasn't nearly as big of a deal when it came open last time, as compared to this time.

The amount of money that comes into the program is day and night compared to then, plus the first 12 years of Mack's tenure brought the program back into the national spotlight. Sure, he only won one NC and 2 CCs, but 9 straight 10+ win seasons is nothing to scoff at. Because of that, he dominated instate recruiting for all but the last couple of years here.

The condition with which the program was left in this time around is considerably better than the first time, as Mack had established good relations with Texas HS coaches and programs, and besides the complete mismanagement of the QB position, there is still quite a bit of talent

It's still the second winningest DI program and has had much better success and exposure in the past 16 years than the almost 30 or so prior to that.

tl;dr The job is much more appealing due to Mack's tenure than it was last time it was open
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
11559 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:19 pm to
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The job is much more appealing due to Mack's tenure than it was last time it was open

this x1000

The problem is that while more appealing than in 97, there are a lot of really appealing jobs out there and look who they hired in the last 5 years

USC - Kiffin, Sark; both moved from good jobs but were former coordinators at USC
UF - Muschamp; coordinator
ND - Kelly; mid-major
OSU - Meyer; unemployed
Michigan - Hoke; alum, mid-major

Those are all considered top 10 jobs. Not one of them pulled a major coach without ties from another job. Texas is an excellent job. But the idea that every coach in the world is dying for it makes y'all (not you, you've always seemed reasonable) come across delusional.

Getting multimillionaires with unbelievable job security to drop what they've painstakingly built and start over is not as easy as it's being made out to be which is why it rarely happens. It's the same reason why NFL franchises are not poaching each other.
Posted by JLock
Member since Jun 2011
4988 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:31 pm to
I agree that it's hard to get big name guys to drop the gig they have for something that may or may not be better. I hope that some of our fan base learns that you can't just money whip someone into taking the job. Trust me when I say I get just as annoyed as a lot of you guys on this board with the sense of entitlement that many of them have, which is ironic because those same fans bitch about the football team having that very issue.

I'd much rather the program take a risk on a guy who, while maybe not coaching at the highest level already, has at least had success in other places, which would lend credence to the idea that he could probably succeed at Texas as well.

There's going to be a lot of bullshite rumors coming out in the next couple of weeks, but I fully expect the job to be filled by New Year, probably. And I think it'll be someone under the radar or not even mentioned yet.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 5:32 pm
Posted by Herman Frisco
Bon Secour
Member since Sep 2008
17733 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:51 pm to
Whom ever they hire the bar has been set at 7.5M. Saban money. If UT doesn't come up with someone to pay that kind of money to they will be looked down on as cheap second
Fiddle.
Look for a NFL coach.
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
11559 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 5:55 pm to
that's just silly. USC publicly claimed they were ready to pay $6m. Then they "settled" on Sark at $3.5m. Big deal. You don't overpay just to do so.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69283 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 6:01 pm to
The boosters have way too much power at Texas. They practically run the program.

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