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People said the same thing about ND when Weis was there. That they couldn't recruit. THen Kelly goes out and rattles off a few top 10, and one top 5 class.

It is more like a few top 20 classes and a top 5, but I get your point.

ND is closer to talent that Nebraska is though. Nebraska is in a football talent desert in comparison.

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You're gonna sit there and say Michigan and Tenn can't make a come back?

No, they don't have the same things working against them Nebraska has. I would say of the three Michigan has the best shot, then Tenn, then Nebraska.

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Didn't you just watch a season in which MSU dominated the west?

I watched a season where MSU didn't win anything important, like Nebraska will do the rest of my life (ok that was mean, sorry).

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No, but looking at their lineup it's clear they werent' pulling in all bluechippers like many believe.

I have heard those stories. About the famous Nebraska walkon program (that to me just seemed like a way around scholarship rules), or about all those big cornfed boys stopping the run.

Problem is, this isn't 1975 or 1995. The option is dead, and unless you have multiple top ten classes you aren't blowing people off the ball on your running game. Today's game is a game of finesse, a game of timing. All of that goes against what Nebraska can offer.

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It can be done again.

Sure it can. I mean, lets face it- I would be dumb to say that Nebraska can never win anything important again. People said the same about Alabama prior to Saban, heck people say A&M never will. Cycles exist, and eventually things might break their way for a change.

With that said, my big point is there is a disconnect between what Nebraska is and what people think Nebraska is. The AD just fired the coach and pointed to him being the problem, even though that coach did not bad in the face of many many modern disadvantages for that program.

They are getting a reality check with the next hire, guaranteed. Maybe by the time they dig themselves out of that hole Tenn-style the game will have changed to a point that it benefits their advantages again.

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Posted by Requiem for a Dream

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Posted on 12/2/14 at 3:41 pm to Moustache

Exactly. All he did was post non-flattering photos.

Like it or not, OSU is a Nebraska/Oklahoma wanna-be. They were Nebraska's bitch for years, and they have zero history or prestige.

As for Pelini, I have no doubt that it was his stubbornness that got him fired. I have no doubt that Eichorst told him that he needed new coordinators, and Bo refused, forcing Eichorst's hand. It was a bold move, but it was the right move. Bo won his 9 games a year, that's true, but was 25-24 against teams that finished with a winning record.

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Posted on 12/2/14 at 3:48 pm to cardboardboxer

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ut how do you get wins without the talent? It is a catch 22.

It's tough. You recruit the 500 mile radius or KS, NE, MO, and CO. That will net you about 5-6 4* players and a maybe about 4 3* players. Evaluation is key. Hit the JUCOS HEAVY like Kstate used to do and still does.
Cherry pick a few 4* players like Adam Taylor, Terrell Newby, Vincent Valentine, and you have a class. THat's not championship, but it's something you can build on. Remember, they don't have to out-recruit Bama or UF or LSU. THey just have to be better than Iowa, NW, Minny, Wisconsin, and Purdue. Get to winning consistently and I bet some recruits flow in.

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They didn't win, did they? And they were more of exception- no recent team that untalented has gotten that far besides them.

True. but oregon is still on top and doesnt' consistently recruit top 10. Scheme and evaluation are key.

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I just remember in the 00's they would beat us for Texas kids all the time, while I can't remember that happening the last few cycles.

LSU hasn't really gone after TX as hard in recent times. Nebraska has had trouble recruiting TX the past 2 years though. They need to start scheduling neutral site games in TX IMO.

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I watched a season where MSU didn't win anything important, like Nebraska will do the rest of my life (ok that was mean, sorry).

I would call a rose bowl championship more important than anything LSU has accomplished in the past 7 years.

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Today's game is a game of finesse, a game of timing

True, but team's like Bama, LSU, Stanford, Wisconsin, and MSU still win a lot of games playing smashmouth football. It can be done. AS a matter of fact, I'd argue that all these defenses being built for the spread would struggle mightily.

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With that said, my big point is there is a disconnect between what Nebraska is and what people think Nebraska is. The AD just fired the coach and pointed to him being the problem, even though that coach did not bad in the face of many many modern disadvantages for that program.

They are getting a reality check with the next hire, guaranteed. Maybe by the time they dig themselves out of that hole Tenn-style the game will have changed to a point that it benefits their advantages again.

That may happen, but what if they make the right hire? They owe it to themselves to try, don't you think? I'd rather try than accept 8-4 and 9-3 as my ceiling.

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Posted by cardboardboxer

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Posted on 12/2/14 at 3:48 pm to Moustache

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ooooh, I can play the bad picture game.

Agreed, I did kinda pad the ballot box. Still I don't think one can say the Nebraska facilities are FAR FAR beyond OSU. And I still think A&M's new stuff blows all of this away.

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I always wonder if people here are as afraid of a challenge IRL.

No, quite the opposite. Of a fan of a program that has never won a modern national title I of course would like confirmation that cycles are real and exceptions can happen.

With that said, as a fan of a program that has never won a modern national title I am also wishing for the death of a major program because being a "top 10 program" is a null-sum game and some program has to die for a spot to be opened. I like Nebraska and I don't wish it on them, but they seem like they most likely choice. If I had a lamp with three wishes the program I would kill is OU, but until they botch the post-Stoops hire that might be a tall order.

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Posted by cardboardboxer

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Posted on 12/2/14 at 3:55 pm to Moustache

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That may happen, but what if they make the right hire?

That is a big risk. It is not like a Michigan where you HAVE TO make a hire. Nebraska chose to, and then the AD talks a talk of cheapness.

If I was a NU fan I would be nervous.

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They owe it to themselves to try, don't you think?

If only so that it forces them to look in the mirror and realize what kind of program they are in 2014.

The only way a program like that is going to succeed in the modern era is if everyone rows in the same direction. After a few years of Tenn-like results they will all be rowing towards whatever option gets them back in a bowl.

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