Having options or having publicly released offered names are two different things, the latter being the popular desire of this site and the former being the prudent approach.

Again, you can criticize alleva, but really you don't know the process. You don't know who was vetted. You don't know who quietly received an offer and you don't know who turned us down.

All you know is that LSU offered two big names publicly (one proven name) and one potential up and comer.

Fisher was the obvious offer because of the prior relationship and Herman was said to have had an agreement. The rest is speculation.

With regard to 2nd tier guys you don't do that publicly because you CaNT get turned down publicly.

And with regard to the 2nd tier guys, none are sure fire hires. (Neither is O)

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Posted by yimbeaux

Texas

Member since Nov 2014

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Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:59 pm to stephendomalley

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for those who think we're a laughingstock, I can imagine what a laughingstock we would be if we had bid 7-8 million for Herman and he still went to texas.

Which certainly would have happened. i'm of the opinion that even if we had outbid Texas, Herman still would have gone to UT, he just would have gotten us to up the price tag.

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Posted by Lefthash

Member since Dec 2010

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Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:16 pm to LAfootballDude

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Alleva made the right move with regard to Herman...

No, he didn't. Pulling an offer because the candidate wants to understand what opportunities he has available to him is bush league and a bit petulant. If I were interviewing for a position and the hiring manager said that he would pull his offer if I went on another interview, I'd tell him that he made my decision for me.

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for those who think we're a laughingstock, I can imagine what a laughingstock we would be if we had bid 7-8 million for Herman and he still went to texas.

Who said we had to offer him 7-8 million to miss? I'm not saying Herman comes, because I think he would have ended up TX regardless, but just to take your ball and walk away makes you look like a clueless assclown.

Alleva should have went and pressed Herman telling him all the things that make LSU great. He should have pointed out the tremendous recruiting advantage we have over just about any other college in the nation. He should have pointed out the fact that there are more LSU players in the NFL than any other school. He should have pointed out that if you want to succeed and compete for championships, LSU is the best opportunity you have available. If Herman still wanted to talk to TX after that, tell him you need an answer by Monday on how he wants to proceed. Let him know there will be at most one more offer that he will either need to take or leave and that there is a ceiling to it. You also let him know that there are no guarantees that you will wait for him. Of course, these are things you would do if you were going to actually try to sell the job to someone, do your due diligence in interviewing multiple candidates, not hire the inside guy...you know basically your job. O may end up being a good hire (history says no), but it will end up being due to luck rather than following a logical process that resulted in his hire.

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Posted by beauxroux

Baton Rouge, LA

Member since Nov 2010

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Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:48 pm to wildtigercat93

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If Herman had no intentions of coming here over Texas, then what harm would it do to raise his price tag for Texas? They got him for 5 million, offer that dude 7 and he either makes Texas pay 7 or you get him. If there really is no chance of him coming then frick it, let him use you as leverage. It doesn't hurt you at all

Long-term it may hurt you, even if Herman goes to UT, bc you have now set an even higher starting pay scale for future coaches. And btw-- there was no chance of getting Herman, once the UT job came into play. I'm not an Alleva fan, but he did the smart thing by cutting off negotiations. It's naive to think otherwise.

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Posted by beauxroux

Baton Rouge, LA

Member since Nov 2010

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Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:50 pm to Lefthash

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Alleva should have went and pressed Herman telling him all the things that make LSU great. He should have pointed out the tremendous recruiting advantage we have over just about any other college in the nation. He should have pointed out the fact that there are more LSU players in the NFL than any other school. He should have pointed out that if you want to succeed and compete for championships, LSU is the best opportunity you have available.

Do you think MENSA, Herman doesn't know these things?

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Posted by deuceiswild

South La

Member since Nov 2007

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Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:17 pm to LAfootballDude

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Again, you can argue all day that O should have not been the guy,

Don't kid yourself, anyone who argues this would still be arguing it no matter who we hired, unless it was Jimbo or Herman. We made the right move. These same anti-O assclowns would be bitching even harder had we given Fedora (or anyone not names Jimbo or Herman) $5 million.

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