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re: I’ve Been Told Baker Will Not Be Returning, Doucet Confirms

Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:34 am to
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:34 am to
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the primary reasoning given for the early firing of O was to get a jump on candidates and to get someone in to save the recruiting class


1) Scott is the ONLY one who can definitively give ANY reasoning, much less the PRIMARY one, and I don’t believe he made any statement supporting what you have asserted here. But by all means, I’d love to be proven wrong, so if you can go ahead and find that link….

2) It makes no logical sense anyway. Scott could have gotten a “jump on candidates” at any time, he didn’t need to have fired Orgeron for that. Any conversations/vetting he was doing behind the scenes could have been done while O was still employed. He probably started working on this after the Mississippi State and Missouri losses last year.

But no matter what time we fired O, you simply can’t hire a new coach—one that you’d want, anyway—until at least their regular season was over. So Scott could have fired O the day after the UCLA game or the day after the A&M game and we still weren’t hiring a new coach until around the time that we did. Actually, it could have easily been later.

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it kind of stings a bit


Get you momma to kiss you bobo and quit fricking crying.

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when a pretty damn impressive instate crop has fled to division rivals


Did they flee LSU or just go to the other schools? Like has been mentioned, this happens every time there’s a coaching change—it’s part of the deal. And yeah, it sucks that they went to A&M and Bama, but because of the geographical closeness of Louisiana to those schools, it makes sense that they have invested more into recruiting them than Ohio State, Clemson, or even Florida. Recruiting is about relationships (and now NIL)—not relationships built over a few weeks, but a few years. And all the relationships those recruits had developed with LSU coaches over the years were severed, while the ones they made with other schools remained intact.

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with seemingly no fight or even real, tangible effort to keep them.


What does this mean? Explain what a fight, a “real tangible effort to keep them” actually looks like? What do you mean, specifically?

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Can't expect kids to come when coordinators are not being hired until after they sign


Well, we haven’t hired any coordinators yet, and we still signed a pretty nice group. But how many recruits were we gonna sway with the hiring of even the most prominent OC or DC? Like I said, recruiting is about relationships—these kids have known Saban and a Jimbo for years, as well as their coordinators and position coaches. How can a coordinator hire a few days before ESD make up that kind of ground? Again, this is just what happens when you have a coaching change. But we did manage to keep a 5 star QB and a 5 star OL amongst others. I actually thought BK did really well, all things considered.

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No matter the sunshine pumped, this transition has not been handled well


It may have been handled poorly. It may have been the best transition in the history of transitions. You—we—are in no position make that kind of judgment. We have no idea what is, what has been, and what will be going on.
Posted by I20goon
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:34 am to
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2) It makes no logical sense anyway. Scott could have gotten a “jump on candidates” at any time, he didn’t need to have fired Orgeron for that. Any conversations/vetting he was doing behind the scenes could have been done while O was still employed. He probably started working on this after the Mississippi State and Missouri losses last year.
I disagree with this one. Many of these coaches won't entertain overtures or offers unless the know for sure they are looking at a for sure open spot.

They don't want to risk getting caught in talks, and then LSU change their mind. Now, talking is a risk anyway. But talking to a school who hasn't been decisive enough is... limiting. I'm not saying there aren't conversations anyway. I'm using the word "limiting" intentionally.

On the agent side they have more leverage for their client if the coach has been fired, so they will do everything to limit those talks until that happens also.

So it is a double barrel effect.
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