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re: Brad White staying at UK per Stoops
Posted on 12/14/21 at 8:58 pm to ipodking
Posted on 12/14/21 at 8:58 pm to ipodking
quote:Unfortunately, the narrative that you demolished any credibility you might have had on this board longer ago than anyone can remember still applies.
The narrative that Kelly knows what he’s doing is quickly losing credibility
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Posted on 12/14/21 at 8:59 pm to moneyg
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But, Orgeron put together a really good class in the transition year. He identified the class as his #1 priority, and threw every ounce of resources and effort towards it.
Orgeron has been recruiting for LSU for two seasons at that point. Orgeron was named the interim head coach at LSU by October and had three months of telling these recruits that he was going to be the head coach and he was going to keep everyone from the current staff, minus the fired OC.
You can’t even compare Orgeron’s first class to Brian Kelly because Coach Kelly was recruiting kids for Notre Dame until two weeks ago. He had to start from scratch.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:01 pm to sicboy
quote:What brought you out Sally? Yeast infection?
I know we don't want to settle like Clemson but Kelly has had 2 weeks and still can't put together the 2 biggest pieces of his staff. And tomorrow is the big day.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:03 pm to J2thaROC
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False. We lost more in state talent t under Orgeron than we did under Miles or Saban. Saban came in and took who he wanted from Louisiana while Orgeron was in charge.
You can legitimately criticize Orgeron on many things, but people who follow LSU football will acknowledge Orgeron could get the players. He's done that everywhere he's coached.
This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:04 pm to ForeverLSU5
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Does transitioning mean falling flat on your fricking face hiring a staff and letting your SEC west rivals raid your state for recruits?
quote:Don't listen to him! Out you go...
Step away from the ledge man…
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:06 pm to The Hurricane
Stoops talking so he doesn’t lose recruits tomorrow? Why can’t White talk for himself?
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:09 pm to Stevo
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but people who follow LSU football will acknowledge Orgeron could get the players.
Doesn’t matter when the retention rate is 50% on his classes. Look at 2018
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:11 pm to Damathe
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Odds are better that he said "thanks for coming" before White had a chance to say "thanks for having me down".
I'd suggest that even if that were true, it would mean that Kelly isn't close to identifying who he even wants at DC. That's a bad spot to be in at this stage of the game.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:13 pm to BeeFense5
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Doesn’t matter when the retention rate is 50% on his classes. Look at 2018
Losing tends to do that. Kelly was hired to change the losing part, but we'll see if Kelly can first get the players on campus.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:13 pm to moneyg
quote:The latest will be Jan 11 leaving plenty of time to hit the remaining recruits--not just the ones on the fence now.
Honestly, it won't surprise me if this takes a couple more weeks.
I'm liking Golding but I can't imagine K not talking some to Mason if available.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:15 pm to Choupique19
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Orgeron has been recruiting for LSU for two seasons at that point. Orgeron was named the interim head coach at LSU by October and had three months of telling these recruits that he was going to be the head coach and he was going to keep everyone from the current staff, minus the fired OC.
Obviously, some truth to this...but it's still a transition year, and there was absolutely no guarantee that he was getting the job. In fact, up until the day he was hired, most would have put his odds at < 10%.
The point is that he was behind from a time standpoint, and had to pull that class together late. It was clearly important to him.
Kelly hasn't accomplished that. In fact, at best, he's decided that there is no salvaging this class and has prioritized taking his time to find the right coordinators.
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You can’t even compare Orgeron’s first class to Brian Kelly because Coach Kelly was recruiting kids for Notre Dame until two weeks ago. He had to start from scratch.
While not identical, I think it is fair to compare. Kelly is going to fall short. He hasn't made a positive impact on this class.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:16 pm to Stevo
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Losing tends to do that. Kelly was hired to change the losing part, but we'll see if Kelly can first get the players on campus.
You are acting like brian Kelly is some green rookie coach. I don’t understand how some of you think he doesn’t know what he’s doing as a college football head coach.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:17 pm to moneyg
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While not identical, I think it is fair to compare. Kelly is going to fall short. He hasn't made a positive impact on this class.
He’s been here a total of 2.5 weeks. Wtf do you expect?
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:21 pm to BeeFense5
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You are acting like brian Kelly is some green rookie coach. I don’t understand how some of you think he doesn’t know what he’s doing as a college football head coach.
Has nothing to do with that. He's struggling early, and he needs to start getting some success on recruiting coaches and players.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:22 pm to BeeFense5
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He’s been here a total of 2.5 weeks. Wtf do you expect?
Honestly, I expected him to make a couple of good hires, and probably end up with a class somewhere around 12th in the nation. I figured we'd land a guy or two who was on the fence and lose a guy or two we had committed.
The recruits are saying the same things fans are saying on this board. Those who are interested in LSU are saying "what is really going on? I expected to know by now. Oh well"
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:22 pm to BeeFense5
Is this official...or is Stoops just saying that due to the tragedy and not wanting to lose recruits. Didn't BK agree not to announce the hire until after ESD? What the hell? 
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:23 pm to Stevo
You don’t think retaining two elite 5 stars is a positive? Also, the new college football landscape is flipping to the importance of transfer portal success over early signing day. So this is far from over.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:24 pm to moneyg
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The recruits are saying the same things
Are they? I read a ton about recruiting and missed this. Can you link?
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:26 pm to OKtiger
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Does transitioning mean falling flat on your fricking face hiring a staff and letting your SEC west rivals raid your state for recruits?
You have definitely pulled into the lead as the worst fricking poster on this site now.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:27 pm to BeeFense5
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You are acting like brian Kelly is some green rookie coach. I don’t understand how some of you think he doesn’t know what he’s doing as a college football head coach.
I'm just calling it like I see it.
We live in a time when so many people choose truth based on what they want to be true. Any objective viewing of Kelly's tenure so far would conclude that he's struggling to put his organization together.
I still think he's a very good coach. We will eventually be better off for having Kelly, but unfortunately, this class is going to be below par. That could easily cost us a year in the rebuild.
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