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Why We Sleep

Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:19 pm
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:19 pm
Just finished listening to this one today and it really is fantastic - it goes really deep dive into all the ways most of us are screwing ourselves over in how we sleep (or don't sleep really) and a bunch of really interesting studies - discusses how school is set up to hurt adolescents in industrialized society by limiting sleep with early class times at a time where they need it most for brain function and just tons and tons of other really great stuff.

Has way too much info to really convey and I don't know if it is a self help book or educational but definitely will be beneficial to almost everyone. Educational information and also shite you can enact in your own routine.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
9212 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:49 pm to
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discusses how school is set up to hurt adolescents in industrialized society by limiting sleep with early class times at a time where they need it most for brain function and 


This is without a doubt true. Classes should be starting around 9, not 7 in the morning. And that's not even factoring in the bus wait and the bus ride. Kids are just dead first period a much of the time 2nd as well.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 6:32 am to
And he goes on into how like the last two hours of our sleep cycle is when a lot of our brain building sleep waves occur, so with the natural phenomenon of most adolescents going to bed later than their younger siblings and older parents, coupled with being forced to wake up for school - it is effectively inhibiting ideal brain development.

I've always had trouble sleeping which is what drew me to the book, but the level of research and scientific study this person has gone through to understand why we have evolved for sleep is incredible. He isn't a doctor, he is a scientist and approaches the subject from that side, although a lot of studies have shown how people getting less than 7/8 hours of sleep nightly are at heightened risk for a wide range of disease, both physical and mental.

If you trace the line of reduction in sleep over the line in rise in obesity, they seem incredibly correlated - now increased weight also leads to increased sleeping issues such as sleep apnea, but it could be a situation where each one is helping to propagate further problems in the other.

But just from listening the whole discussion of school start times and other issues due to not getting enough sleep growing up - I can see correlations with anxiety, depression (also obviously associated with screen time, social media, etc.)

I type this knowing at 6:30 knowing I probably didn't get quite enough sleep but it also goes into some ideas for a path forward.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
9212 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 5:52 pm to
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type this knowing at 6:30 knowing I probably didn't get quite enough sleep but it also goes into some ideas for a path forward.


As someone who has sleep apnea (genetic with central sleep apnea and obstructive sleep apnea, so unfortunately weight has nothing to do with mine) as well as major insomnia issues and is a high school teacher, I kinda hit all those things at once. Throw in the fact I can't use the CPAP machines due to the masks making my face break out and coffee is my friend.
This post was edited on 12/3/20 at 5:54 pm
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
33632 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 7:39 pm to
Been wanting to read. Have listened to hours of Matthew Walker on Attia and other podcasts. Fascinating stuff.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 8:32 pm to
If you have a library card - download libby app and listen to it - took me about 8 or 9 hours total - basically one long car ride, putting together something in the shed and then cooking dinner.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
33632 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 9:04 pm to
I'm in line for the audiobook at library. Thx for reminding me of this guy.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 9:24 pm to
Oh shite i'll go return my copy - think I forgot to yesterday. If you are in New Orleans - may be coming your way.
Posted by ClampClampington
Nebraska
Member since Jun 2017
4015 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 4:48 am to
He’s really fascinating to listen to, I just hate being reminded how terrible my sleep schedule is according to him. But I’ve done it since my college days and I think it helps me be more productive, especially with my work being while markets are open then usually a few hours of reporting or other things later in the evening. Basically 8hrs up/4 down, then 9 up/3ish down. So essentially two long naps per day instead of sleeping 8 consecutive.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 12/4/20 at 5:00 am to
He actually doesnt seem to care about your sleep schedule as long as you log the hours. I think his 12 sleep tips are for people who cant seem to get 8 daily (i think 7 is pretty good).

The book talks about how certain groups of people around the globe still sleep in two stretches - it just isnt the nork in industrialized society.
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