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auyushu
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They were all entertaining but the one you’re talking about was easily my favorite and really the only one I thought was as good as the two series



Agreed, at least on the ones I've read. I still need to read the mad Lancers short story he wrote to go along with the second trilogy though.


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auyushu
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I was hoping one of the stand alones picked up where the trilogy ended


Best served Cold takes place in Styria (Jezal's father in law's country) and takes place a couple years after the end of the trilogy. The Heroes takes place in the north and takes place 8 to 9 years after the trilogy. Red Country takes place in the far country and takes place about 15 years after the trilogy. The new trilogy starts about 30 years after the first trilogy.


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auyushu
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With Malazan and WoT as my two favorite series that I consistently go back and reread, I 


I don't mind description, I just mind pointless description. While he would occasionally go overboard with the philosophy and existential crisis stuff in some of the later books, for the most part I never felt like Erikson did that with Malazan, he just had exceptional world building.

On the other hand Jordan constantly did so from books 7-11. Reading those books a part that stands out as an example of this is there is like a 10-15 page sequence where Siuan is just walking from her tent to go find someone. He literally describes the people washing clothes and going about their daily business for like 15 pages with nothing relevant to the plot happening the entire time.

Those later books are filled with that kinda stuff. And the braid pulling and sniffing. Oh, the braid pulling.


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Those later books are filled with that kinda stuff. And the braid pulling and sniffing. Oh, the braid pulling.




Oh ya, the slog stretch you notice it more because they needed to be two books. For the most part up through book 7 I thought it was very well balanced, I thought you were just talking about his general style throughout the series.


Erikson I felt like would sit on sections a lot, Toll the Hounds and Dust of Dreams are the two that get a little challenging where we revisit people doing the same thing a few too many times.


I'm nitpicking but I get frustrated with current authors who seem to put descriptive prose and worldbuilding at the back of the bus a lot. But its a fine balance, you really need to have a great story and characters to be able to pull that off without killing the momentum of the story.
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auyushu
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Erikson I felt like would sit on sections a lot, Toll the Hounds and Dust of Dreams are the two that get a little challenging where we revisit people doing the same thing a few too many 


Yeah, those were the two books were the ones I was thinking about with the meandering philosophy. The second half of toll the hounds is good, but dust of dreams just mainly sucks.

It's definitely a fine line between not having your world feel lived in and being overly descriptive. But as long as the plot and characters are good I can overlook the former at least.

And as far as Jordan goes, those issues are present somewhat throughout the entire series, it just doesn't detract from the series too much until book 8 because of the excellent story and characters. But then the plot movement comes to a screeching halt.


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And as far as Jordan goes, those issues are present somewhat throughout the entire series, it just doesn't detract from the series too much until book 8 because of the excellent story and character


Ya but for my tastes really Books 2 - 7 are right at the balance I want - and 4 through 6 are just about perfect for me. Especially on the re-reads now that I am not worried about getting back to a certain character. On my first read I would sometimes skip certain viewpoint characters, but I really like all of them now - some of they way they act is the only thing that really grates me in that section.

I really like slightly slower stories. Its why I love the 3 main foundation books as probably my favorite sci fi.


On a different note, I just got the used hardcopy of Memories of Ice in. I'm putting together a full hardcover set of Malazan as I re-read them.


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but I really like all of them now - some of they way they act is the only thing that really grates me in that section.


I generally liked all the viewpoint characters always, but Perrin's parts become nigh unreadable when Faile is on screen, and Faile as a viewpoint character is complete dreck.

Outside of Faile I'd say all the primary viewpoint characters are good, except maybe Egwene in the last 2 books when she becomes super mary sue who knows better than everyone about everything.


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Malazan



Another series I tried hard to like but just couldn’t get into. It was just too damn tedious. I want my fantasy to be fun dammit. I love a well built world just as much as the next fantasy nerd but get to the damn story already. I have no desire to be confused for 400 pages.


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I want my fantasy to be fun dammit. I love a well built world just as much as the next fantasy nerd but get to the damn story alre


Hah, you should try Will Wight (cradle series).

Did you just read the first Malazan, or the second one too? The first one is over the top media res and is much better on reread, but way to confusing for most as a first book. The second book is far more straightforward and a tremendously better book. If you don't like the second book of Malazan the series is just not for you at all (and it's a very polarizing series, people seem to love it or hate it for the most part).



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Did you just read the first Malazan,



I made it about halfway through the first one realized I wasn’t enjoying myself at all and gave up on it.


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I made it about halfway through the first one realized I wasn’t enjoying myself at all and gave up on it.





See now this is the series you should probably give another shot. My recommendations would be to begin with Book 2, then backtrack to 1 - its much easier to follow that way. And one key thing is to understand you arent going to just pick it up and burn through it.

Im slowly working my way rereading. And im usually readong two books at once. Malazan has just tons of informations coming at you in each sentence. Each book is broken up into like 6 or 7 sections. So i just try to get through one of those every day or two. And have a nice light read to open up when im not feeling it.

Also there is a podcast called Ten Very Big Books on spotify. They break each book up into 3 or 4 chapter sections and discuss after. Ive been listening on my reread and really enjoy it. It has one person who has read the books lead it, one avid fantasy reader trying it out for the first time and one girl reading who has only ever read twilight. They even get Erikson to come on an episode and answer questions after each book.

But they dont talk about future spoilers, but it helps highlight subtle things you may have missed to help keep you grounded in what is going on.

As Erikson said on the show, he didnt let editors do much and he had no history of novel writing, only short stories. So the books in his mind are really just a bunch of short stories tacked together - which may explain the density and level of information coming across.


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Hah, you should try Will Wight (cradle series).


Just binged this. It's pretty darn entertaining 'popcorn' reading. Don't expect anything groundbreaking, but it's easy to read and once you get to book 3, be prepared to not put it down until you finish the series.

EDIT: Sidenote, the audiobook narrator is awesome too.
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nice, i've had it on my radar - hopefully the audiobook is on libby


auyushu
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Since we were just mentioning Will Wight and the Cradle series, he's giving away the first 7 books of the series for free on kindle through Amazon for the next three days.


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Well shit, I guess I need to get Kindle


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Also, do I need to read Abercrombie's stand-alones in order or can i just pick them up as I see fit?


auyushu
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I'd suggest reading them in order, a couple of characters in Best served Cold are in the later books and go through major changes as the stand alones progress. Their character arcs will have far more impact if you read them in order.


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Thanks, I think after looking at Lawrence's Self Publishing Awards and all the other stuff that is really only readily available as an e-book, I'm going to get a Kindle.

Is getting a Kindle the best way to go? Or should I just get a tablet and read on there? Really not a huge fan of reading on a screen - does Kindle have some sort of special features that make it better than just reading via an app on a tablet?


auyushu
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Kindle is better on your eyes than a tablet, at least to me. You can choose to go with no backlight at all and just use actual light in your house to read with if you prefer. Easier to adjust font size and other things quickly with kindle to me as well.

Plus if you get a cover for a kindle with it's smaller size compared to a tablet it will feel more like you are reading an actual book.

If you are buying one you might want to check and see if amazon has any deals running in kindle unlimited when you buy one. Think I got like 3-4 free months of kindle unlimited when I bought a new one a year ago.

ETA- yeah, looks like you can still get 3 months of kindle unlimited free when you buy one, and almost all of the Lawrence SPA awards books you are talking about are on kindle unlimited.
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Oh nice, I've got a pretty good slate to hold me over for now. I'll probably ask for a Kindle for Christmas or something.


Also, I've been listening to Lightbringer, about 75% through the first book, and its good. I like the Iron Fist character a lot, the Prism character seems pretty solid - but really not a fan of the whole Kip / Liv thing and I'm hoping (but not confident) that it doesn't get drawn out too long.

I think I just really don't care about these awkward, angsty coming of age relationships. I don't really mind it because I just really don't ready fantasy for those storylines - plus for me in Malazan is the lack of focus on that.

I've come to realize that while the sort of immediate fall in love stuff you see so much doesn't make a lot of sense, I like the fact that it lets us kind of move on to some degree.


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