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Posted on 7/29/20 at 6:48 pm to
Posted by MSMHater
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Posted on 7/29/20 at 6:48 pm to
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though at least the last book doesn't have as much of that and a little more action.


The last 2 books were my favorite, but the entire 2nd series was a chore. As soon as Bee arrives, it gets tough to get through.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 7/29/20 at 6:52 pm to
I'm assuming Regal gets killed in the 3rd one and that will give me enough closure to move on
Posted by auyushu
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Posted on 7/30/20 at 6:37 am to
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gonna call it quits after book 3. Maybe someday down the road I'll feel like coming back.



Honestly, while I enjoyed all the Fitz and rain wilds on the whole, I can't imagine trying to binge read the series, its pacing doesn't lend well to that I don't think.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 7/30/20 at 7:01 am to
Ya, I Kind of thought it was picking up at the end of Book 1. But they just sort of hit reset and started doing the same things again in Book 2 plus a whole of Fitz and Molly romantic angst
Posted by hogfly
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Posted on 7/31/20 at 10:29 am to
So I'm on Book 4 (Blood Mirror) of the Lightbringer series.

I still love the series, but it's like Brent Weeks got obsessed with sex or something during Book 4. I know some of it is natural to Kip's storyline and development (and all of the Mighty), but it's also in other storylines as well (Gavin and Mariessa). Anyway... just kind of weird and a bit awkward with the way he writes about it.

Book 4 has definitely been my least favorite, but I understand that Book 5 is really good, supposedly.
Posted by auyushu
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Posted on 7/31/20 at 9:24 pm to
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Book 4 has definitely been my least favorite, but I understand that Book 5 is really good, supposedly.



Book 4 is definitely the worst. That series peaks in book 3 to me.
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice
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Posted on 8/2/20 at 11:46 am to
Yeah book 4 was pretty weak, and truthfully, book 5 really isn't that much better. I think for me the series probably peaked with book 1 which was awesome, then the next 2 are really solid, then it goes off a cliff.

I just finished Battlemage by Stephen Aryan which was a solid read in the mold of a David Gemmell series. Very military fantasy which is not really my preference but I liked it ok.

Also just finished Kings of the Wyld by Nicholas Eames which follows an old mercenary band. Pretty unique style and very enjoyable read.

Now I've decided to reread David Eddings old series The Belgariad. Pawn of Prophecy, the 1st book, was the very first fantasy book I ever read. Finished rereading it last night and man its almost a different genre altogether from current fantasy books. Still its a quick and easy read with enough interesting stuff to make it worthwhile.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 8/2/20 at 12:26 pm to
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Now I've decided to reread David Eddings old series The Belgariad. Pawn of Prophecy, the 1st book, was the very first fantasy book I ever read. Finished rereading it last night and man its almost a different genre altogether from current fantasy books. Still its a quick and easy read with enough interesting stuff to make it worthwhile.


Its really interesting to look back at how fantasy has progressed and developed. Really started obviously with LOTR, see some sword and sorcery and some solid fantasy epics come into play. It seems like the 90's are when you really started to see the epic world-building type series come into their own, along with some darker and more gruesome styles - clearly heavily influenced by ASOIAF. This dark and gritty focus seems to have sort of taken hold by the mid 2000's and really has been carried through still as what a lot of people are looking for.

I think that we may be seeing somewhat of another counter-movement creep up as some authors look to push back against everything being so dark, gruesome and rapey (for lack of a better word). Sanderson puts it well when he talks about his books and how he wants to deal with those themes, but you can sort of work around it in the writing (sort of how Robert Jordan did it as well). I also feel like after so many years of people saying they don't want the same old tropes, there is a group of people who still want some of the same tropes but just done in new and interesting ways as opposed to outright subversion and casts filled with moral ambiguity.

I just find it really interesting to be able to look back on the emergence and development of the sci fi / fantasy genre - I also really think that this is going to explode into hollywood here soon. We've already seen some of it with Harry Potter, Game of Thrones, LOTR, resurgence of Star Wars mania - but to me those are more proving concept and that people want these kind of stories with big production budgets. With a few more successes, I feel like this could sort of be the "hollywood theme" of the next decade or two - kind of like how superhero movies have been dominating for the past 20 years.
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 12:28 pm
Posted by auyushu
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Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:35 pm to
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I also feel like after so many years of people saying they don't want the same old tropes, there is a group of people who still want some of the same tropes but just done in new and interesting ways as opposed to outright subversion and casts filled with moral ambiguity.


Pretty much, and if everyone is doing the gritty, grimdark stuff then the grimdark genre itself becomes rather run of the mill and full of tropes itself. I think that's why variety is key. Sometimes I want that simple good guys versus bad guys done in interesting ways (John Gwynne for example), and sometimes I want Abercrombie. if all you read is Abercrombie stuff it's gonna get pretty rough and depressing, gotta mix it up with the Riyria and Dresden type books (or just straight humor like Pratchett). At least for me anyway.
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 1:36 pm
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:44 pm to
I think that is one reason why sci fi / fantasy is so great. Most genre fiction just is the tropes - spy novels, murder mystery, etc. all have pretty defined notes, which can be played with, but overall stay pretty similar. The sci fi / fantasy genre can mix those around and combine them in interesting ways, subvert them so there are a just a ton of different types of stories and it keeps evolving.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 8/3/20 at 7:20 am to
Finished 2nd farseer finally, didn't really enjoy that one as much as the 1st - just sort of dragged on for me with a mix of not a ton of action, not much going on setting wise and it just felt very much the same as book 1 almost like they could have been combined. I'll get to book 3 at some point, its not on libby and I don't want to pay for it so i'll probably check it out from the library at some point.


Started The Poppy War audiobook walking my dog this morning. Got through 3 or 4 chapters, kind of a typical YA introduction style at this point - but the world seems to be kind of dark, war torn country, drug use, etc. and i'm enjoying it thus far.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 7:25 am to
Finished up the Poppy War audiobook - it is quite good.,



Sort of Spoilers on theme below.




I was slightly disappointed it took a hard turn into grimdark sort of stuff for the last 1/2 or so. I thought it was doing a very impressive job of toeing the line but still sort of maintaining hope - but then the last half people just start going off. Got the audiobook for the 2nd one on hold from the library as of now.



Also, I was looking at Wizard of Earthsea audiobook? I know it is an older book but everyone says it is really good? Any thoughts on if it still holds up?
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:47 pm to
If you are talking Le Guin, yeah her stuff is pretty good. Though admittedly its been a while since I read it, so maybe it wont hold up as much I remember.

I started The Raveling series by Alec Hutson, still early in, but seems solid so far.
Posted by Raistlins Apprentice
Funroe
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Posted on 8/10/20 at 2:41 pm to
Just finished The Raveling series. Really good epic fantasy type series if that's your thing.

Kind of lame ending though. I thought we'd get more closure as this is billed as a trilogy, and while the main storyline does get wrapped up, there is only a vague epilogue that seems more interested in teeing up future books.

Not a big deal if we eventually get those books, but not a huge fan of leaving things like that to chance.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:10 pm to
Nice, i've never heard of that series. I'll have to check it out.

I am finishing up the Gap Cycle and then have Riyria Revelations lined up next. Also just ordered Going Postal, will be my first Disc World novel and also my first Pratchett book other than Good Omens. Pretty excited, been meaning to try out some of Disc World for a while.

ETA: Just googled and saw that it is The Crimson Queen / Alec Hutson thing that has been recommended before, definitely need to get that one lined up soon, it has really solid scores on GoodReads
This post was edited on 8/10/20 at 3:14 pm
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 8/11/20 at 12:24 am to
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f lame ending though. I thought we'd get more closure as this is billed as a trilogy,


Yeah, it does setup as more of a finish that sets up the next trilogy. I didn't mind though, as it was one of the better fantasy series I've read lately, and three books wouldn't have felt like nearly enough for what he had created in that world anyway.

Of course if he suddenly loses the thread and doesn't finish then that obviously changes things, but he's been releasing them almost one a year, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 8/11/20 at 12:30 am to
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am finishing up the Gap Cycle and then have Riyria Revelations lined up next. Also just ordered Going Postal


How are you liking the last three of the Gap cycle?

Going Postal is great, seeing you post that one makes realize that I never read the last of the three books with that main character. That book is kinda far down the timeline though, you are skipping past a ton of Ankh Mopork storyline reading it first. It's just the side characters in this story though, probably not a huge deal.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 6:49 am to
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Going Postal is great, seeing you post that one makes realize that I never read the last of the three books with that main character. That book is kinda far down the timeline though, you are skipping past a ton of Ankh Mopork storyline reading it first. It's just the side characters in this story though, probably not a huge deal.




I liked book 3 but it had almost too much going on, like twist and counter twist rapid fire for the last 3rd of the book where it was hard to really react to what was happening. I really like what is going on with Warden and the Dragon though, very interested to see where that develops. Just getting into book 4 now - i have to stop every 5 minutes and look up the definition of a word it seems like.

Ya, I saw somewhere that had grouped the main storylines together and picked the one that looked most interesting since I'd read you could really start anywhere.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 8/11/20 at 7:55 pm to
Has anyone read "An Absolutely Remarkable Thing" by Hank Green and the second one "A Beautifully Foolish Endeavor"?

Near future sci fi type thing I just heard about - it has good reviews on goodreads.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
8584 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:49 pm to
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Has anyone read "An Absolutely Remarkable Thing" by Hank Green and the second one "A Beautifully Foolish Endeavor"?



I haven't read either, but the fact that the guy whose crash course videos I've shown to my anatomy and biology students over the years is now a sci fi author is kinda blowing my mind a little.

I might have to check one out just because it that.
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