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British Travelers in America (early 1800's)
Posted on 1/20/22 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 1/20/22 at 5:28 pm
A British man named James Silk Buckingham visited America in the late 1830's and traveled exclusively in the southern states. He wrote a book about his travels that he called "The Slave States of America" which can be found online for free. It is a long book, almost 600 pages, but very interesting. He thoroughly thrashes slavery and slave owners, but that wasn't really my interest in the book. I was more interested in everyday life in 1830's South, about 25 years before the Civil War. And there's plenty in his book relating to that.
One of his main points of contention with Americans was their propensity to chew tobacco. He said most every man in the South, even rich plantation owners and professionals, chewed tobacco and spit the juices all over the floor. He mentioned how he visited Athens, GA and went to the college there (now UGA) and had a meeting with the president and various other members of the university. All of them were chewing tobacco, even during their speeches. He went to numerous church services where the pastor was chewing tobacco during the sermons.
He mentioned the peculiar pronunciation of words he noticed in Georgia, but not elsewhere. He noticed that words like "stairs" were pronounced "stars" or "pears" was pronounced "parrs" (you get the idea). You can still hear this in rural places in the south, but back then it seemed more prevalent.
He noted how the "firefly" had a peculiar name in the south. Lightning bug. I didn't realize the term was that old.
He did not understand why Americans refused to use the word "cock." He mentioned that he later found out but said it was "not something I want to put to writing."
He had a lot of adventures on his horse and buggy, sometimes getting stuck out after dark and having to find shelter with the first house he could find. One man in Georgia refused him saying "I have no place for strangers." He continued down the road and luckily found a hotel which he found to be "dirty" and "miserable" and described his room as a "cell." The hotel clerk didn't even have candles but was using sticks of wood as a torch. When he asked for a candle, the clerk told him "you're mighty particular."
One interesting anecdote to leave you with. He had arrived at Tallulah Falls, GA (which is now a state park). This was 1839, so it was about 50 years before Tallulah Falls became incorporated. He stopped off at the "hotel" which at that time was just a cabin ran by a random farmer and his wife. I will quote:
I chuckled pretty hard at the above passage. I can just imagine a British artistocrat coming to the North Georgia mountains expecting to be treated as royalty by these poor "mountain dwellers." He found it so strange that they insisted his buggy driver and assistant sit at the same table with him.
One of his main points of contention with Americans was their propensity to chew tobacco. He said most every man in the South, even rich plantation owners and professionals, chewed tobacco and spit the juices all over the floor. He mentioned how he visited Athens, GA and went to the college there (now UGA) and had a meeting with the president and various other members of the university. All of them were chewing tobacco, even during their speeches. He went to numerous church services where the pastor was chewing tobacco during the sermons.
He mentioned the peculiar pronunciation of words he noticed in Georgia, but not elsewhere. He noticed that words like "stairs" were pronounced "stars" or "pears" was pronounced "parrs" (you get the idea). You can still hear this in rural places in the south, but back then it seemed more prevalent.
He noted how the "firefly" had a peculiar name in the south. Lightning bug. I didn't realize the term was that old.
He did not understand why Americans refused to use the word "cock." He mentioned that he later found out but said it was "not something I want to put to writing."
He had a lot of adventures on his horse and buggy, sometimes getting stuck out after dark and having to find shelter with the first house he could find. One man in Georgia refused him saying "I have no place for strangers." He continued down the road and luckily found a hotel which he found to be "dirty" and "miserable" and described his room as a "cell." The hotel clerk didn't even have candles but was using sticks of wood as a torch. When he asked for a candle, the clerk told him "you're mighty particular."
One interesting anecdote to leave you with. He had arrived at Tallulah Falls, GA (which is now a state park). This was 1839, so it was about 50 years before Tallulah Falls became incorporated. He stopped off at the "hotel" which at that time was just a cabin ran by a random farmer and his wife. I will quote:
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The house and its accommodations were not better than that from which we were so inhospitably turned away by Mr. Holkham; but here, at least, there was no unwillingness to receive us; and though the fare was " rough," as the country phrase is, and everything of the rudest kind, yet, as there was good-will and an evident desire to please, we made the best of everything, and thus inspired those around us with a wish to do their best also.
The master of the house, Mr. Taylor, was not yet returned from "the plantation," as all farms are called here; but his wife, the mother of thirteen children, though not more than thirty-five years of age, set about preparing all we required, as far as her store would furnish it. The only bread we could procure, was that made of maize, or Indian corn; tea and sugar were articles never used by them, but fortunately we were provided with both; though in making the tea, a jug or pitcher had to be used instead of a tea-pot, by which leaves and water were poured out into the cup together. We made a hearty supper, nevertheless, though, according to the custom of the country, our party was made to include the driver of the barouche, the driver of the waggon, and our own white servant, all sitting with us at the same table and at the same time. It was the only place at which we saw no negroes or coloured people employed; and we were told that there were two causes for this; one that the farmers here were too poor in money, though rich in produce, to buy negroes; the other, that the climate of the mountains was too severely cold for them in winter ; so that whites alone were used for every description of labour.
The rudeness of manners among these dwellers in the woods, is unpleasant to those accustomed to receive courtesy and respect from their attendants. The master of the house, as well as his farming men and boys, come in and out without making any sign of respect or recognition, take a chair close by your side, sit down with their hats on, their legs thrown up in the most careless position, spit their tobacco at your feet, and accost you in the roughest way imaginable. The mistress and her grown-up daughters will do the same, wearing their cotton-quilted bonnets, with a deep curtain hanging down over the neck behind, and covering the ears and shoulders, never taking them off when they enter the room, or take their seat at the table. Another disagreeable feature of their manners is, that whatever they do for the guest or visitor, is done by them as though it were a favour; and not a service for which a fair equivalent was to be given in money paid; for though their own charges are made, and no abatement asked or wished for, they not only think, but generally contrive to say, or make you understand, that they consider you much more under an obligation to them for the accommodation they afford you, than they can possibly be to you for the money you pay to them.
We slept as well as we could on a straw mattress, placed above the soft down-beds used here by the poorest persons; but the interruption to our rest arose from the numbers of bugs with which we found all these country houses to abound. These were of the largest, blackest, and most voracious kind, so that we had often to get out of bed, and commence a hunt, before we could obtain even the respite of a short and broken repose. Add to this, the combined noises of the numerous dogs which are everywhere kept in town and country, swelled by those of the hogs, goats, sheep, and poultry, which all occupied the common yard immediately outside the aperture in our bed-room called the "window," but which had neither frame, glass, or shutter, and it may well be conceived that our sleep was neither sweet nor refreshing.
I chuckled pretty hard at the above passage. I can just imagine a British artistocrat coming to the North Georgia mountains expecting to be treated as royalty by these poor "mountain dwellers." He found it so strange that they insisted his buggy driver and assistant sit at the same table with him.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:12 pm to AUstar
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British man …..thoroughly thrashes slavery
A bit hypocritical right?
Posted on 1/21/22 at 12:14 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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A bit hypocritical right?
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late 1830's
A bit, but they had passed laws banning most slavery by then.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 7:32 pm to AUstar
British writers traveling through America and then writing a book trashing it has been a minor industry almost since the Revolution.
In the early 1840s a recently successful author named Charles Dickens took an American trip and got a book out of it, but he was outsold by some lady (can't recall her name) whose book treated Americans as some sort of semi-civilized barbarian tribe.
I don't think Oscar Wilde wrote a book about his 1882 lecture tour, but he got a lot of mileage out of it: "America was discovered long before Columbus but it was always hushed up", "In America the young are always willing to give the old the benefit of their inexperience", "Niagara Falls is the second greatest disappointment of an American bride's honeymoon", etc...
By the 20th century Hollywood enters the mix, and virtually every name British author who went there wrote about it: attacks on it as a monument to vulgarity, all while they were busy writing scripts for those Hollywood $$$.
In the early 1840s a recently successful author named Charles Dickens took an American trip and got a book out of it, but he was outsold by some lady (can't recall her name) whose book treated Americans as some sort of semi-civilized barbarian tribe.
I don't think Oscar Wilde wrote a book about his 1882 lecture tour, but he got a lot of mileage out of it: "America was discovered long before Columbus but it was always hushed up", "In America the young are always willing to give the old the benefit of their inexperience", "Niagara Falls is the second greatest disappointment of an American bride's honeymoon", etc...
By the 20th century Hollywood enters the mix, and virtually every name British author who went there wrote about it: attacks on it as a monument to vulgarity, all while they were busy writing scripts for those Hollywood $$$.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 6:14 am to nes2010
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A bit, but they had passed laws banning most slavery by then.
I guess most of my thinking is that most slave owners here were actually “them” as in Brit descendants.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 6:45 pm to AUstar
I read a similar book. 29 years a slave; 29 years a free man. I am interested in everyday common life during different periods. This book views the south before, during and after the CW through the eyes of a slave. He goes on a social justice rant in one chapter and I skipped it. A few observations I have made is the few land owners that had slaves were lazy shits. The Irish were bitter assholes. The Germans were just there. Had there even been basic organization within the democratic party, we would be multiple countries ATM.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 10:08 pm to AUCE05
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A few observations I have made is the few land owners that had slaves were lazy shits.
Yep. The Englishman who I quoted in my OP said just this. He said the plantation men had ample time for "shooting, hunting, riding" and didn't do much else. But this probably only applies to the rich slave owners. There were plenty of slave owners who owned 2 or 3 slaves and were middle-class and still had to work pretty hard.
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The Germans were just there.
Yeah, I got that impression too. Every now and then he'd mention a German, but they were just sorta walking around minding their own business. They didn't seem to associate with anyone else much at all. They had their own communities and their own churches. But, to be fair, there weren't a ton of Germans in the south then. Most of the Germans settled the Midwest farming belt.
This post was edited on 1/22/22 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:44 pm to AUstar
I just started 1491. It is trying to describe the Americas pre-Columbus. I'll let you know if it is worth the time.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 7:49 pm to AUstar
Interesting...
Do you think it's roaches he's talking about?
Do you think it's roaches he's talking about?
Posted on 1/27/22 at 9:26 am to AUstar
A LOT of Germans settled in and around NOLA. German Coast? There were a lot. My grandmother’s family settled around Killian.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 10:33 am to AUstar
The guy on the YouTube channel “Townsends” often reads from 18th century journals and has several from British travelers fwiw
Townsends Amazon List
Townsends Amazon List
This post was edited on 1/28/22 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 2/7/22 at 7:38 am to vilma4prez
I figure it’s either roaches or June bugs. But he describes them as voracious which implies the bugs bit him, so I’m not sure.
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