if you're talking about how people believe others will perceive them, i lose all sympathy
It has nothing to do with belief, that's how it is.
i have a friend who got a job working IT in Atlanta directly out of NSU, so that's not true
my sister has plenty of friends who she graduated with who have any number of jobs
and i know dozens of people who graduated with degrees from McNeese who went to Texas and got good jobs all over
Of course people graduated, received degrees and are doing fine. There are plenty of them.
We also are also sitting in the highest unemployment for sub-35 in a long long time, partly for these reasons.
Everyone isn't unemployed. How well they are employed is part of the problem (and again, Louisiana is an anomaly in terms of cost), which is the issue in this thread.
why not? that's WAY overgeneralizing
Just like you have examples, so do I. A few people I know with good degrees, UW-Madison, UVa, Purdue sit jobless, at no fault of their own.
perhaps super specialized degrees in super specialized industries
there is a large mass of jobs that just require a degree...any degree. origin/area of study doesn't matter
Not true. Not even close.
Everyone wants a specialized degree now, even when there's no chance in hell it should matter.
are we talking about engineering/science related jobs or what? of course it would be more valuable for those industries
No, see the other statement from the other reply. Outside of specifically engineering and specifically English Teacher jobs, an Engineering and English degree should be seen as equal, and they aren't.
that depends on the degree
It's not the point of college, or at least it shouldn't be. That's been corrupted by everyone involved, which is part of the personal investment problem.
People shouldn't go to college Expecting a job. And people hiring shouldn't be expecting a specific degree.
i never said an education was a bad idea
foolishly borrowing loads of money to pay for an education can be foolish
like i said, you can get an education without going into loads of debt. you can get a fricking education for free nowadays. are you talking about education or economic opportunities?
What do you do if you waste time and effort on a degree only to get something that isn't worth the investment? How are you going to speculate 8 years out to know that you can get a return on what you make?
you don't have to borrow to pay for it. work, save up, and then pay for it. it's still an investment, but it's not a debilitating credit-debt scenario
I know you think very realistically and by the book about these things, so we're just going to have to agree to disagree. You're also placing your worldview on that of others. Congratulations, you saw through the bull shite. Have a slap on the back.
Of course having to borrow tons of money to do anything without proper intelligence of ROI is foolish. That's obvious.
If everyone could run the calculations on job opportunity, on how businesses will respond, on inflation, industry evaluation, Total cost of a degree, some arbitrary rating on value vs. happiness and personal interest, and then in the end write up a strategic plan on a degree potential and earning, and make a decision based on all of those factors, the world would be a better place.
But even if you did ALL of that, people still have to deal with the mentality behind learning and earning, the mantra they have been bred to sing since they grew up, AND the expectations of everyone around them.
Being so cutthroat about that is a little unnerving, especially when, at least kids in a specific range and age/group, grew up with a lot of issues and problems around it. That's my argument.
At the base level, I won't disagree, it's an investment and can be a poor one. I just think looking at the base level in this instance is misguided and wrong. Education is different, for everyone, and that's really the issue.