re: Steeler/Tomlin outrage is complete nonsense

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I've seen absolutely nothing indicating Tomlin "forced" the team not to show up for the anthem.

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Fair enough. Hypothetically, if he did lead the decision, would you have a problem with it? Or, are you just playing the "I don't have the facts" so that you don't have to state your position on it?

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Not that you're being unreasonable, but I just don't care enough to call it a "very poor decision" or demand their plan for moving forward. They tried to avoid controversy and divisiveness by staying in the tunnel, and have sought to explain that it was not a team protest at all. Villanueva, the cult hero at this point, feels bad because he thinks his team is being wrongly judged. I'm just not sure why some grand apology and truth airing is necessary.

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...an apology is necessary for the same reason an apology is aways necessary. Obviously a significant portion of the fan base is upset. The owner himself has admitted that via an open letter to the fans. Are you just pretending you don't know this?

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I just don't get it. Are we really offended about this?

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I can't speak for you. But, it pisses me off to see people disrespect the anthem and the flag in an attempt to make a point...not matter how valid that point is on its own. The intent is to outrage. The intent is to be disrespectful.

The Steelers not showing up for the Anthem was rightfully viewed as a protest. I realize that their position is one of, "oops...that's not what we meant." I'm very skeptical. For me to accept that would require some clarification along with an apology. As it stands, I think someone (Tomlin) made this decision in an attempt to make a political point.

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Fighting to fight. Nothing gained. The people leading the charge don't even have ideological motivations.

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Dude from a political perspective this shite is a gold mine

I'm listening to people on the radio and watching people on TV defending the kneelers by talking about how shity America is and how terribly racist we are.

frick the kneeling. That's just the easy jumping off point. It is the Brazen willingness of the left in general to tell us who they really are that makes this spectacular

If the left is going to allow itself to get trolled this easily into admitting who they are then they can expect it repeatedly and I'm going to laugh the entire time

So did Villanueva hide a key in his cheek and wriggle out of the cuffs?

Also, what do you guys think the team was doing in the locker room. I don’t know if they can hear the anthem or not, but if they can, they were presumably doing whatever they choose to do on the field but without making it a spectacle. If they couldn’t hear it, then they were doing the same thing you were doing on your couch while you were boycotting the game.

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Honestly, I thought it was a gold mine before. When people were actually kneeling to protest the Anthem (not Trump). It made them look absurd, most Americans disagreed with them, and the guy leading the charge can't get a fricking job now.

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Yes but at that point it was basically some Niche group of people doing an unpopular thing. But then Trump trolled them and the left just couldn't help but take the bait. So now you're getting columns written and news reporters pontificating and leftist all over the internet going all-in supporting the kneeling and even justifying it by talking about how horrible America is and how horrible white people are

What was happening before was a copper mine. This shite is gold and diamonds in the same shaft

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Meanwhile, fewer and fewer people are in the middle, so who exactly are we winning over with this shite?

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no that's the best part. Really it is

The left would really prefer to go forever without its most virulent anti-American and anti-white tendencies on full display because they know that a lot of the middle folks are just run-of-the-mill white folks.

Honestly man. Welcome to November. Until the left can figure out how to put their out of the closet racist minorities and America hating leftist back in a box this problem is going to continue for them

They pulled the trigger on their race politics and anti-americanism just a cracked too soon before the giant demographics shift

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Again, that's all great, but 33% of the country doesn't see this as un-American at all, 33% does, and 33% is sitting there thinking both sides are lunatics

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no no no. You didn't understand me. I'm not talking about the kneeling being anti-American

I'm talking about the left being suckered into defending the kneeling by talking about how shitty America is and how shitty white people are. It's glorious

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And I disagree about their excuses, most of them aren't even talking about white people and police, they're talking about Trump

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dude you got to widen your focus. The players in this or practically insignificant. It's everyone else on the left that's making this a gold mine. Go read some of the shite they're saying to justify the kneeling. Note I said justify.

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The left must be losing because we are getting the "both sides" bullshite

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Don't lose focus man. There's nothing wrong with the both sides argument in this situation

Sure you have one side that's going crazy saying my military is being disrespected in my country is being disrespected blah blah blah.

And yeah you have some folks in the middle that are kind of not engaged one way or the other

But that's where the Glorious part comes in. Because those middle folks might think the first group I mentioned is overreacting but think about what the overreaction is that they're seeing. They're seeing people overreacting by being overly touchy about how great America is.

So they turn their heads to look at the other group and what's that group doing? Wyatt as columnist and reporters and people all over the Internet writing about how the kneeling is justifiable because America is totally shitty and white people are awful

And like I said earlier. Welcome to November 2016

Making Rooney crawl like a whipped dog is priceless.

preachy mother fricker

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Pull some more numbers out of your arse.

The left must be losing because we are getting the "both sides" bullshite.

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It's amazing to watch you converse, or try to

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Keep all the players in the locker room during the anthem or stop using it.

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I thought the Steelers' approach was probably the best of the day, it would've been deemed so if not for the olinemen(not saying he should have stayed in the locker room).