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re: "Penalties Against Possession of A Drug Should Be No More Damaging Than The Drug Itself"
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:54 pm to northshorebamaman
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:54 pm to northshorebamaman
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The current epidemic has been largely fueled by legal prescriptions. This is common knowledge and more reason to believe you're trolling.
it has been caused in part by people who use to get legal safe hydrocodone prescriptions and no longer can.
hyrocodone does not equal OxyContin and certainly not heroin
The only opiod I see on your charts is heroin. Not a biased chart is it?
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Pot is more mentally addictive than heroin? Are you trolling?
maybe not, but they are least equal when it comes to mental addiction (not physical). Many potheads seem to not be able to live without their pot.
But hydrocodone is certainly less harmfull and less addictive than pot. Really addiction wouldn't even be an issue if availability is there.
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:08 pm to boxcar willie
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he only opiod I see on your charts is heroin. Not a biased chart is it?
Heroin is an opiate not an opiod. It's also the drug people are most commonly referencing when discussing the current epidemic.
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maybe not, but they are least equal when it comes to mental addiction (not physical). Many potheads seem to not be able to live without their pot.
Your response is entirely anecdotal so I will answer with the same. I went to treatment for alcohol a few years ago and it was about 50% junkies, 30 % drunks, 20% assorted benzos/coke/meth. Not one, not one single person was there for weed.
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Really addiction wouldn't even be an issue if availability is there.
So alcohol addiction is not an issue? I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Availability is a fraction of addiction issues.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:50 am to Mr.Perfect
This is total bullshite. And you show complete stupidity by posting it as does anyone upvoting it.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:54 am to Dale51
Anyone that isn't stupid knows it isn't true.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 5:46 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Don't waste your time. He's stupid.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 7:18 am to TGFN57
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Anyone that isn't stupid knows it isn't true.
What isn't true?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 7:25 am to northshorebamaman
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. Prices have fallen by over 1/3 since legalization and we now have the second lowest average price in the nation.
It's would seem that $3872 for a lb of anything is a lot. How is the average person who need this wonderful miracle medicine supposed to afford that? Is medical pot cheaper in your state?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:45 am to Dale51
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It's would seem that $3872 for a lb of anything is a lot. How is the average person who need this wonderful miracle medicine supposed to afford that? Is medical pot cheaper in your state?
Why aren't those prices subject to supply and demand? And again, the average price in illegal states is much higher. Here there has been downward pressure on prices because of the amount of weed stores opening up.
I get that you think government regulation is bad, but in this instance it has worked.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 4:30 am to Dale51
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It's would seem that $3872 for a lb of anything is a lot. How is the average person who need this wonderful miracle medicine supposed to afford that? Is medical pot cheaper in your state?
Price is relative, influenced by supply and demand and the amount required. Are you being purposely obtuse? $20 an 1/8th for quality weed is dirt cheap. Average smokers are not buying a pound of weed. That would be well over a two year supply for me.
It takes myself a half gram of decent weed to have a good night. That's 1/7th of that eighth or around $3. That works out to 182.5 grams a year. There's 454 grams in a pound. Do the math. It would take me 908 days to burn through your highly inflated, almost double the actual price (average price here is less than $2000 a pound LINK) price of $3872 a lb at around $4.25 a day. A heavy smoker might spend $15-$20 a day on average.
Do you find $3-$20 a night unaffordable? How much is a pound of caviar? Truffles? If this is the leg you find yourself standing on than I don't know what to tell you.
BTW, wholesale prices don't paint an accurate picture of what the average smoker pays (see my numbers on eights for that) but you're the one that introduced it to the argument.
As far as your "legalization will drive up prices" argument:
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Dramatic price changes in Washington’s legal marijuana market are creating a somewhat difficult landscape for cannabis retailers to navigate these days. Washington marijuana retailers have cut their prices by more than half since legal marijuana sales began in July 2014, according to The Daily News Online.
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Wholesale marijuana prices are at nearly half the cost of less than 12 months earlier as experts point to a surge in supply occurring in states where residents can legally grow weed. The average cost for a pound of marijuana flowers was $1,689 as of Friday, down 3.1 percent from a week prior, Cannabis Benchmarks reported.
Greenhouse-grown weed, meanwhile, sold last week at an average cost of $1,405 per pound — an all-time low according to the marijuana industry analytics firm.
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Washington has more pot than it can smoke
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And on top of all that, to answer your question, yes, medical users buy at a further discount. At this point, in legal states, it doesn't cost more than having coffee or eating Taco Bell everyday. Or do you also find the cost of those out of reach?
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 5:55 am
Posted on 6/27/17 at 6:42 am to northshorebamaman
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Or do you also find the cost of those out of reach?
Those are all good points. Personally a pound would last me about 6 years. My biggest problem with the "legalize it" crowd is the invitation for government to get involved in individuals lives and the incremental creep of control. By frequenting storefronts or growing in the open in your back yard you self identify and go on the radar screen as a user to authorities and your neighbors, etc. I like privacy. You should be careful what you wish for. That said, it is still..like alcohol or other intoxicants.. a safety issue driving, operating machinery, at work, etc, and the cost is relative to the amount used. There are people I know who can go thru an oz every couple weeks. This means they are basically living their lives impaired and spending 5k a year on a single intoxicant.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:25 am to Dale51
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My biggest problem with the "legalize it" crowd is the invitation for government to get involved in individuals lives and the incremental creep of control.
This sounds incredibly twisted to me. Just so I'm clear, your assertion is that the legalization of marijuana leads to increased government interference in an average smokers life?
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 7:28 am
Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:44 am to northshorebamaman
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Just so I'm clear, your assertion is that the legalization of marijuana leads to increased government interference in an average smokers life?
Close..but not quite. It may increase the potential of harassment in other areas of an individuals life and possibly hinder employment and standing in ones community, etc. One thing leads to another. Personal use of pot is such a low priority to law enforcement, it's barely a blip. Decriminalize, yes. Legalize..no. By definition when something is legalized it has to meet a criteria making various types of actions with it "legal" or not. Just decriminalize it and ignore it. Others may feel differently.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 7:58 am to Womski
So are you're saying we should execute heroin dealers? This is an idea I could get behind. 
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 7:59 am
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:36 am to Womski
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"Penalties Against Possession of A Drug Should Be No More Damaging Than The Drug Itself"
Then anyone possessing Heroin should get the death penalty.
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