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re: "Penalties Against Possession of A Drug Should Be No More Damaging Than The Drug Itself"

Posted on 6/25/17 at 4:37 pm to
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 4:37 pm to
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A traffic fatality is not a side effect you fricking idiot. I can't stand ignorant people like you. And whether or not you're a troll I've sideateppes enough of you morons this last week that I thought I'd address how much of an idiot you are. But I'm not responding to you again. Good day.


So you're not just dumb as dirt, you're a fricking POS on top of it. Nice. Are you really so fricking stupid that you can't grasp the point that the traffic fatalities I referenced are caused by the side effect? Never mind...you've already answered the question.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 4:38 pm
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 4:39 pm to
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You need a license like any other business.
That was my point about it being a legal substance for anyone to partake of. It's not. The government still has to give you permission. What happens to someone not given that permission to sell to anyone by the government? Is it a crime?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 4:45 pm to
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That was my point about it being a legal substance for anyone to partake of. It's not. The government still has to give you permission.


It is government sanctioned, but you also insisted that "the price is quite high." Which isn't true at all, by any metric you use. Which was my point. Being government sanctioned doesn't automatically equal higher prices. In this case the prices are lower than street prices, there is a greater variety of product, and it's fairly clear what I'm getting. You don't have that from street dealers.

Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 4:50 pm to
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Thats nice, but what methodology is used that puts the data collector and data analyst in the car right before the accident?



Nice dodge.

Here are two relevant studies which discuss how the NHTSA determines speeding related crashes.

LINK

LINK

The methodology by definition is post hoc, but the data is consistent.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 4:57 pm
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 5:04 pm to
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Nice dodge.

Here are two relevant studies which discuss how the NHTSA determines speeding related crashes.




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Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 5:16 pm to
Do those studies not describe the methodology? Am I mistaken?
Posted by vodkacop
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
7855 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 5:44 pm to
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Adderall, coffee, 


Well the only person to blame is yourself if you are using this to sleep.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:02 pm to
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Which isn't true at all, by any metric you use. Which was my point


How much an ounce?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:07 pm to
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Do those studies not describe the methodology? Am I mistaken?

Yes. And? What methodology could possibly provide insight as to the mind set..the thoughts, the distractions, the awareness of actually speeding beyond ones ability to accurately assess their capabilities to handle the speed, the moment of daydreaming or distraction, etc?
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 7:09 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:13 pm to
I have no idea off the top of my head. It's much less expensive than where I was before, Missouri, for comparative amounts of weed. The website Price of Weed also supports my assertion.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:15 pm to
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Yes. And? What methodology could possibly provide insight as to the mind set..the thoughts, the distractions, the awareness of actually speeding beyond ones ability to accurately assess their capabilities to handle the speed, the moment of daydreaming or distraction, etc?



So all those are possible factors in accident rates, but the literal speed of the vehicle you are controlling isn't? There are variables you can measure and deduce and there are variables you can't. My view is that speeding makes any inattentiveness all that much more dangerous. That we cannot measure those variables isn't enough reason to discount the variables we can measure.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:25 pm to





It is government sanctioned, but you also insisted that "the price is quite high." Which isn't true at all, by any metric you use.

Here's a metric:

LINK

Average price for high quality $3872 a pound.

That is not expensive? About 15 pounds of silver for the price of 1 pound of high quality pot?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:30 pm to
Are you insane? Do you know how much a pound of weed costs illegally? Why you would buy a pound of weed is beyond me. And look to see what the same price is for high quality weed in a state where it is illegal. For example in Missouri, again, a pound of weed costs $5578, a price difference of $1700.

I'm not sure why you are quoting me the price of weed in pounds now when you asked for it in Oz. Regardless Colorado is still cheaper.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:31 pm to
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My view is that speeding makes any inattentiveness all that much more dangerous. That we cannot measure those variables isn't enough reason to discount the variables we can measure.

I actually agree with that, but they are two separate things. Your conclusion is just as valid viewed the other way. We can't discount causal affects of the unmeasured just because they can't be tested. They may actually overlap. Being stoned may make speeding more likely.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:39 pm to
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I'm not sure why you are quoting me the price of weed in pounds now when you asked for it in Oz.


Whether oz or lb's it's $3872/lb. That is not cheap for a pound of anything.

Anyone can pick and choose what to use as a metric. I Manitou Springs Co...a legal state, a pound costs $6064/lb..so..
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:45 pm to
You know how supply and demand works, right? The price is cheaper relative to prices in other states where it is illegal. The average price per oz data reflects that. Focusing on outliers is particularly dishonest given the sample size the website has, which averages prices out quite well. The average price in legal states is much cheaper than the average price in illegal states. That much is apparent. Whether you choose to believe it is up to you.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:50 pm to
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The average price in legal states is much cheaper than the average price in illegal states. That much is apparent. Whether you choose to believe it is up to you.


Pot is illegal in Wi. I have friends that can buy a pound of high quality hydroponic for $200/oz. Slight price break buying a pound...so, how does that figure into your claim that it's much cheaper in legal states?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:03 pm to
My brother says he buys from a place in Tacoma for $150 an oz. It's high quality as well. I could go around to every shop in town and find out but I'd imagine prices are around that or below, given the amount of competition. As time has gone on the prices have dropped. A set of 20 mints was $35 two years ago is now $25.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16035 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:07 pm to
So sick of the pothead woman's board starting threads. You do realize that there are other drugs out there besides pot that people greatly enjoy. It's always about pot with you morons. The drug that makes you stupid and lazy
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16035 posts
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:13 pm to
Also legalizing pot does nothing for the War on Drugs. It doesn't slow it down one bit. Do you want to solve the crime epidemic and bring down the murder rate and keep more of the money in this country and have way less criminal Junkies then you need to legalize all the drugs that the people want and not just cave into the potheads
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