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re: If a border tax passes who will quit what they are doing to make underwear??

Posted on 2/28/17 at 11:49 am to
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 11:49 am to
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11 down votes and no one saying they will quit their job to take these imagined new jobs they think will appear when the Trump tariffs are implemented.


And why would they quit their job to go to work at your imaginary underwear factory?
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17977 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 11:52 am to
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Of course---the way to get them is not through tariffs.

The way to get them is through tax reform and making employing people less risky for employers.


Take that up with mexico. They are the ones putting tariffs on US products. Should the goal not be free trade?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 11:53 am to
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11 down votes and no one saying they will quit their job to take these imagined new jobs they think will appear when the Trump tariffs are implemented.


And why would they quit their job to go to work at your imaginary underwear factory?


AHHH the crux of the dilemma.

So just who is going to take these imaginary jobs Trump and the Trumpkins think will arise from his 25% tariff??
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123861 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 12:29 pm to
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Trump and the Trumpkins think will arise from his 25% tariff??
So after being corrected multiple times here, you're determined to remain obtuse.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89506 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 12:31 pm to
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Which freebies?


The "paying people not to work" freebies. SNAP, Section 8, AFDC, wealth redistribution - Marxism.

Subsidize anything and you will get more of it - which is why we shouldn't subsidize poverty. Safety net should be just that - a net. Not a hammock.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89506 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 12:36 pm to
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So according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there are 94.3 million who aren't in the labor force.


FTFY

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But only 5.7 million of those want jobs.


In what universe is that remotely relevant? If Joe Dropout is 19 and doesn't want a job, does that mean we have to import a low skill/low education worker from the 3rd World to replace his lazy arse?
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
10914 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 12:41 pm to
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If this is true do you think people will quit what they are doing now to take the new jobs like sewing underwear or making Christmas lights?


I don't think it's about someone quitting their job to go and do these jobs, I would think it would be more of some of the lazy arse moochers who are comfortable sucking the gubment tit that would haul themselves up and go out and get these jobs. Now at the current pace that might be wishful thinking, but start cutting off the flow of free tit milk and they'll have a big decision to make.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48282 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 12:42 pm to
Fruit of the loom moved their plants from Kentucky to Honduras in 2014. Wonder how they found people to work there...must have been a different time.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:16 pm to
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I would think it would be more of some of the lazy arse moochers who are comfortable sucking the gubment tit that would haul themselves up and go out and get these jobs.


There are no efforts by Trump to do such things
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:20 pm to
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Fruit of the loom moved their plants from Kentucky to Honduras in 2014. Wonder how they found people to work there...must have been a different time.

Just imagine them trying to find worker when 15% of the entire economy is going to be taxed at 25%.

Now what the Trumpkins that want this tariff will not admit but what will undoubtedly happen is that MOST of the imports will continue and we all will simply pay more for goods thus reducing our standard of living.

There is not enough unemployed labor in the United States to manufacture 10% of what we import. If we start paying people enough to make underwear in this market they are going to have quit some other job to do it. A snowball.

Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
11152 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:20 pm to
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It is the naive assumption by many here that a border tax will bring back jobs.

If this is true do you think people will quit what they are doing now to take the new jobs like sewing underwear or making Christmas lights?

We will have to open the border to find enough labor to met the job demand these people envision such a tax will create?


Youre right. Better cut the entitlements while we're at it.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:26 pm to
You can keep saying those numbers, but it wont make it true.

15% of the economy is not going to be taxed 25%.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:27 pm to
What the heck are you talking about obtuse?
It is just fact

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The proposed border-adjustment plan would tax U.S. companies’ domestic sales and imports at a new 20 percent rate, while exempting their exports.



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Still, the border-adjustment concept faces fierce opposition from retailers like Wal-Mart Stores Inc., automakers including Toyota Motor Corp. and oil refiners that rely on imported goods and materials. They argue the tax will be passed along to U.S. consumers, who’ll face higher prices for everyday materials.

Billionaire investor Warren Buffett joined the criticism Monday, saying the plan “would be a big sales tax” and that it would hit “items that are not yachts or anything like that; they’re things that the ordinary person buys.
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:27 pm to
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What if the 100 million or so quit "sitting on arse" to do that stuff? Cut off the freebies and watch.
So ... the exact thing Trump has promised not to do?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:28 pm to
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You can keep saying those numbers, but it wont make it true.

15% of the economy is not going to be taxed 25%.



I stand corrected---it is 20% not 25% and 15% of our economy is imports.

You can keep denying it but you are completely wrong.
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:31 pm to
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Which freebies? Medicaid and Medicare? Because those are the ones that are mainly affecting the majority of the group you're talking about.
There's actually been a sizable ramp-up in SS disability benefits (as opposed to just old age benefits). That's where you can find a ton of the prime-working-age men currently out of the labor force. It's become a sort of shadow welfare system.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:32 pm to
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It is a legitimate question. The production of underwear is reliant on exporting bulk yarn and cotton and then importing the finished product. Fruit of the Loom, Hanesbrands, Gildan, etc all rely heavily on this. Fotl does this to the tune of several hundred containers weekly just in and out of little Gulfport, MS.

Just using Fruit as an example, if they were to cease production from central America, in addition to raising the price of underwear, it would effectively close the Port of Gulfport. We would be exchanging well paying, union jobs at a port, for low wage underwear production in a factory. not to mention the drivers, customs brokers and freight forwarders that would be effectively looking for work.

Interesting also that these jobs (underwear production) are in central America, but yet we see droves of immigrants coming north to America for jobs. How well paying do we think underwear production jobs are going to be?


Excellent example of the consequences of interfering with trade.

No bureaucrat can decide what should have a tariff and what should not.
Posted by TidenUP
Dauphin Island
Member since Apr 2011
14422 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:36 pm to
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So just who is going to take these imaginary jobs


I would imagine those folks who worked for Martin Mills(FOL) in St. Martinville,La would like to see that plant brought back. The Lee jeans factory near Bayou La Batre,AL could make a comeback as well. Lots of places would love to get those jobs back.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:37 pm to
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I would imagine those folks who worked for Martin Mills(FOL) in St. Martinville,La would like to see that plant brought back. The Lee jeans factory near Bayou La Batre,AL could make a comeback as well. Lots of places would love to get those jobs back.


I betcha all of that want to work have already found it. The unemployment rate in St. Landry Parish is only 6.5%.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 3:40 pm
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
105403 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:39 pm to
Once the work for welfare initiative is enacted you will find plenty to sew, and string lights.
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