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re: Carnage On Cops A Product of Obama Presidency

Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:00 am to
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:00 am to
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The increase in tensions has nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with the rise of smartphones so that now these incidents are being caught on tape.


Yeah....no.
Posted by AustinTigr
Austin, TX
Member since Dec 2004
2937 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:01 am to
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Obama handled the situations intelligently and diplomatically.


WTF?!
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:02 am to
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So you agree some amount of people who back cops are doing it for racial reasons? We agree on this?

Sure just like there are racists that back criminals and racists that claim a cop involved shooting was bad.
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So we agree on this

Sure.....anything that makes something 'idiot proof' I'm good with.
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but how often are police in small to midsize localities rolling out military equipment they are spending our money on?

Think about this for a minute....if you're a perp and the cops are called about a situation that you're involved with and they bring out the tanks (I'm being sarcastic here); wouldn't you (as the perp) realize your situation was dire and you were completely out-gunned and give yourself up, thus avoiding a shootout?

Also the money they're spending on 'militarized' equipment is pennies on the dollar bc they're getting this stuff from the military who are getting rid of it......who else should get it?
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Glad we also agree on DV.

Not just DV and it's not just the cops.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:02 am to
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I've seen rodney king, virtually no penalty... I've seen the b.a r.t. shooting, again almost no penalty. I've seen remnants of cops shooting up bachelor parties over a fender bender. 137 rounds in a car over a backfire... 12 year old taken out in under 5 seconds. They happen under all presidents, outside of the group committing said acts, the one constant... lack of accountability and punishment.


I'm gonna guess..ummm...about 75% bullshite. Rodney King?? seriously?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:06 am to
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Comply or die right? Cops are regulators just like the EPA guys you douches hate. They just regulate poors and blacks so you guys s like them Regulators with guns

You're going to need a lot of therapy.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:10 am to
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
29175 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:10 am to
I'm hoping his statement was a troll. No one can possibly believe that siding with the career criminals and sending in his racist AG (pick one) was diplomatic OR intelligent.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:12 am to
From what I've read, violence against cops has remained relatively flat over the last 10-20 years. Since 1970 it has actually been cut in half, though most of that is attributed to the increased use of body armor by police.

There was a sharp increase in the first half of 2016, but I think that leveled out the last half of the year.

All that to say, there hasn't been this massive carnage on cops under Obama's tenure, as your post claims.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:12 am to
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Sure just like there are racists that back criminals and racists that claim a cop involved shooting was bad.


Agreed. The drawing of racial battle lines needs to stop.
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Think about this for a minute....if you're a perp and the cops are called about a situation that you're involved with and they bring out the tanks (I'm being sarcastic here); wouldn't you (as the perp) realize your situation was dire and you were completely out-gunned and give yourself up, thus avoiding a shootout


People who get themselves in these situations aren't thinking clearly in the first place. No one wins a shootout with the cops, military vehicles or not.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140236 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:18 am to
I have no less than 5 fraternity brothers that are cops still I think. 1 may have retired to do other things.

Anyway, the active ones don't talk about increase violence toward cops. They talk about the actual increase in the number of ambushes. They don't mind a fire fight per se. It's the ambushes that concern them.

So while the number of cops killed in the line of duty may be flat the circumstances around some of those deaths is their concern.

They also talk about how little respect they are shown in every day situations and 4 of the 5 are salt of the earth type of people. One was a hot head but has nothing in his file and has never fired his service weapon to my knowledge.

I don't know why anyone would want to be a cop these days.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:23 am to
The first responder is rigrb and I'm
Moderate.
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
3672 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:24 am to
What carnage?
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:24 am to
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The only "lack of data" is the kind that looks bad for his side, really bad. And by that I mean the fact that blacks are profiled more because they commit more crimes and, yes, are engaged more by police because they are non-compliant and more prone to violence AGAINST LEOs during confrontations.



All of that stems from the war on drugs. The black community has always been over policed due the the war on drugs. That failed policy created situations of unneeded interactions between blacks and cops.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140236 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:25 am to
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I'm Moderate.


Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:26 am to
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They also talk about how little respect they are shown in every day situations



This is a huge problem in policing these days, and the lack of respect cuts both ways in some communities. It's hard to break the cycle when both feel it's the other side being disrespectful.

As someone else said many posts ago, the prevalence of smartphones with video cameras on them hasn't really helped that tension.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140236 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:28 am to
Right, I'm talking about 4 specific cops are who good men, treat people kindly (always have), give time to charities, work hard, do the right thing, etc.

I'm not talking about some roided out, frustrated cops who just want to show some little old lady who is the boss.

I wasn't speaking about generalities.
Posted by PoundFoolish
East Texas
Member since Jul 2016
3724 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:29 am to
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All of that stems from the war on drugs. The black community has always been over policed due the the war on drugs. That failed policy created situations of unneeded interactions between blacks and cops.


Wrong . . .
This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 8:34 am
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79643 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:33 am to
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Obama handled the situations intelligently and diplomatically.


Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:35 am to
And in all of those cases they received far harsher punishment than whites that committed the same crimes.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140236 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:35 am to
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And in all of those cases they received far harsher punishment t


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