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re: Carnage On Cops A Product of Obama Presidency
Posted on 3/21/17 at 6:40 am to skiptumahloo
Posted on 3/21/17 at 6:40 am to skiptumahloo
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The increase in tensions has nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with the rise of smartphones so that now these incidents are being caught on tape.
Yeah I don't see how you can blame Obama for that.
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 6:52 am to Lutcher Lad
Divider-in-Chief doin' work.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 6:55 am to skiptumahloo
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Obama handled the situations intelligently and diplomatically.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 6:56 am to OTIS2
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Divider-in-Chief doin' work.
I can concede things like healthcare and EO's, even the surveillance shite . . . that's just an Alinskyite doing what he's expected to do. But to invite Deray McKeeson and BLM to the WH the week AFTER the Dallas LEO shootings pisses me off no end. It shows that he is an utter scoundrel and a deeply depraved figure. He will never be forgiven for that.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 6:57 am to Lutcher Lad
To the former administration it was always a power grab. Remember he wanted a government police force equal in strength to the military. You know for security and stuff
Posted on 3/21/17 at 6:59 am to Lutcher Lad
War on drugs, Social media, and smart phones are the major players here. Cops have been abusing people for a long time.. and are finally held accountable. Kind of.
And there is still no excuse for violence against them. Seems like the good cops are victims most of the time.
And there is still no excuse for violence against them. Seems like the good cops are victims most of the time.
This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 7:01 am
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:02 am to MoarKilometers
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rodney king
was belligerent and resisting arrest
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I've seen the b.a r.t. shooting, again almost no penalty
none was justified, Grant refused to comply
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I've seen remnants of cops shooting up bachelor parties over a fender bender.
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lack of accountability and punishment
No, it's the lack of truth that your side refuses to confront.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:03 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Remember he wanted a government police force equal in strength to the military. You know for security and stuff
That still makes me shake my head.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:05 am to PoundFoolish
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No, it's the lack of truth that your side refuses to confront
Comply or die right?
Cops are regulators just like the EPA guys you douches hate. They just regulate poors and blacks so you guys s like them
Regulators with guns
This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 7:06 am
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:11 am to bmy
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Comply or die right?
That and stop playing the victim, tell the truth once in a while, and maybe, just maybe, you'll find that a little dignity and respect comes your way.
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Cops are regulators just like the EPA guys you douches hate. They just regulate poors and blacks so you guys s like them
Actually the EPA does more to plunge poors and blacks into reduced circumstances than the cops ever will.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:16 am to bmy
People who make excuses for cops (some of whom are driven by racism) should be given their share of the blame too.
I have some problems with the way Obama handled these incidents, by a lot of people still just want a president that (a) backs up cops 90% of the time and (b) discourages protests when an incident does happen.
We do need an independent body to investigate a lot of LEO shootings due to the conflict of interest issue. A lot of the major recent shootings were totally justified (Michael Brown), but I think there are deeper issues hidden by some very shitty examples that have become the figureheads.
I have some problems with the way Obama handled these incidents, by a lot of people still just want a president that (a) backs up cops 90% of the time and (b) discourages protests when an incident does happen.
We do need an independent body to investigate a lot of LEO shootings due to the conflict of interest issue. A lot of the major recent shootings were totally justified (Michael Brown), but I think there are deeper issues hidden by some very shitty examples that have become the figureheads.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:20 am to CorporateTiger
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some of whom are driven by racism
Good ol stand by narrative quote:
(a) backs up cops 90% of the time
The POTUS should back cops 100% of the time and call out the bad shootings 100% of the time.
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discourages protests when an incident does happen.
Everyone should discourage protesting unless it's a bad shooting then we all should join in
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We do need an independent body to investigate a lot of LEO shootings
How about every shooting should be investigated by an independent body?
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but I think there are deeper issues hidden by some
There is.......it's called a victim mentality
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:27 am to Wtodd
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Good ol stand by narrative
So your argument is that no one involved on the side of the cops is racist? No one at all?
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The POTUS should back cops 100% of the time and call out the bad shootings 100% of the time.
You can't do both. Also the mindset that you should always back up cops is ridiculous. When a cop (or a department) does something wrong they deserve to be called out.
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How about every shooting should be investigated by an independent body?
Well two drug dealers shoot each other, the police department is impartial. A cop is the suspect or defendant and suddenly the local PD is not really independent.
In some cases the state steps in which is fine, but there needs to be some consistent review beyond the force/locality involved.
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There is.......it's called a victim mentality
Victim mentality about what? There are issues with the way our police conduct themselves. They are generally over militarized and prone to escalate some situations. I also have issues with the way they police DV and such that I don't think you would disagree with.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:32 am to CorporateTiger
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Victim mentality about what? There are issues with the way our police conduct themselves. They are generally over militarized and prone to escalate some situations. I also have issues with the way they police DV and such that I don't think you would disagree with.
I don't think so. Chief Brown was right when he made the statement that "we are asking the police to do too much" (paraphrase). The police are generally very, very good when compared to other countries. But they can't be accountable for instilling the culture with values; that's the family's and society's part to deal with . . . and the government/POTUS's portion to dictate and oversee.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:36 am to PoundFoolish
I don't think it is the police force's job to instill values. I also don't believe they should escalate situations. I don't believe that they should be trained to just arrest the man in most DV situations.
We have a society issue with the rule of law, but two wrongs don't make a right.
We have a society issue with the rule of law, but two wrongs don't make a right.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:43 am to CorporateTiger
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So your argument is that no one involved on the side of the cops is racist? No one at all?
Geez really? You REALLY think I think that?
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You can't do both. Also the mindset that you should always back up cops is ridiculous. When a cop (or a department) does something wrong they deserve to be called out.
Actually you can......you back them as a whole and when someone does something bad you call THEM out, not everyone.
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In some cases the state steps in which is fine, but there needs to be some consistent review beyond the force/locality involved.
I left out the word 'cop'....every cop involved shooting should be independently investigated.
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Victim mentality about what?
In every cop involved shooting, the cop is guilty until proven innocent in the eyes of the public.....everyfrickingone of them!
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There are issues with the way our police conduct themselves
In some cases but not all.
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They are generally over militarized and prone to escalate some situations.
If you were the one being shot at and the one that had a giant target on your back you'd think differently. Cops should have a HUGE weapon advantage over the criminals....IMO.
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I also have issues with the way they police DV and such that I don't think you would disagree with.
Don't assume you know me.....if you have a question I'll give you an answer. I too have an issue with the way men are treated in 'alleged' cases of DV, rape and other crimes.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:47 am to skiptumahloo
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Obama's diplomacy helped ease tensions.
This is the stupidest comment about a living president ever uttered.
You know this is not true, you just assume everyone is ignorant to the facts.
Obama jumped out in front of EVERY racially charged shooting incident under his presidency on the WRONG side. Without evidence, Without proof, without facts. Only with emotion and determination to USE the event to further cast a wedge between white and black communities.
Because of him you have communities of people who still to this day refuse to acknowledge the facts of the Trayvon Martin Case, The Michael Brown Case and many others.
You have to be a blind moron to ignore the fact that Obama was nothing more than an amped up Race baiter like Al Sharpton (Um who Obama received much council from during all of these events).
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:49 am to PoundFoolish
Please expand on your bullshite claim about the EPA. That's nonsense and you know it.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:53 am to Wtodd
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Geez really? You REALLY think I think that?
So you agree some amount of people who back cops are doing it for racial reasons? We agree on this?
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Actually you can......you back them as a whole and when someone does something bad you call THEM out, not everyone.
I think there are some systemic issues that deserve to be called out generally ( as discussed below).
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I left out the word 'cop'....every cop involved shooting should be independently investigated.
So we agree on this.
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If you were the one being shot at and the one that had a giant target on your back you'd think differently. Cops should have a HUGE weapon advantage over the criminals....IMO.
I think the "giant fricking target" is highly exaggerated. If you look at the statistics LEO currently much likely to be the shooter (justified or not) rather than the victim. I'm not saying they should be totally disarmed, but how often are police in small to midsize localities rolling out military equipment they are spending our money on?
I also think it would be a big benefit to have police get better/more training in dealing with mental illness. The naked got shot in his hospital room here in Houston being a good example of that.
Glad we also agree on DV.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:59 am to Lutcher Lad
Obama is, and has always been, a slimy anti American communist. Ginning up hate is what they do to separate groups one against the other...citizens against cops.."haves" against "have nots"..blacks against whites..religious against atheists.."Green" nut cases against businesses, etc.
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