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Is it morally wrong for me to eat at Stanley?

Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:27 am
Posted by Degas
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:27 am
Most of us know what happened with Stella! I'm not going to start an editorial, but if I dine at Stanley does that make me a bad person?
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:58 am to
Eat where you want.
Posted by TigerWise
Front Seat of an Uber
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 6:29 am to
Stanley's makes me throw up
Posted by bossflossjr
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
12262 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:43 am to
Ive driven a Toyota before, so no.


But im not givin him any $
Posted by Colonel Angus
Member since Aug 2007
1627 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:03 am to
I'm lost on this. What happened at Stella! ?
Posted by NC17
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:19 am to
Dude shouldn't be in business.

LINK

LINK
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:21 am to
I guess I'll click those.

Y'all mad about him just closing shop?
Posted by BRgetthenet
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:22 am to
Oh. Ok. I see what happened. Didn't know he did that.
Posted by NC17
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:24 am to
He didn't pay his employees. Bought expensive toys and lived the life. He brought all this on himself. Comments about this place from former employees help to tell the story.
Posted by NC17
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:38 am to
Here's another article. When you read the comments about a page down. There's one from an ex-bookkeeper that describes his madness.

LINK
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
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48853 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:53 am to
Wonder how the employee fundraiser went a couple weeks ago?

Here's from WSJ

WSJ Article
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:06 am to
I can't speak to eating at Stanley's effect on your integrity, but by all accounts the effect on your stomach may be less than desirable.

My girl went last Tuesday with her mom and sister and said everything they got was terrible.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
69108 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:11 am to
quote:

Dude shouldn't be in business.


I wondered how such a successful place was a money loser.

He did the Al Copeland.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36423 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:16 am to
Yes, because it's gross. It's slightly better than your basic Camellia grill breakfast masquerading as some haute cuisine. They do have alcoholic milkshakes though.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 9:19 am
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:25 am to
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First, I worked for three years in his upper management team, working on accounting and budgeting. Second, I don't have an ax to grind because I was actually treated pretty well and left on goodish terms a few year ago. That said, he's not that great of a human being so I don't feel bad shedding some light on this.

"The economics at Stella were simply no longer sustainable," he wrote. "The price we must charge limits our clientele"

Here's why:

The problem wasn't so much that people don't buy expensive food... because they do... all over the world... still. The problem is unneeded, extravagant travel, dining, and lodging for him and his wife billed to Stella / Stanley as "research." Purchase and upkeep of a Ferrari and attending multiple racing events per year, billed to Stella / Stanley as "networking and marketing." Custom tailored Brioni chef's coats, billed to Stella / Stanley as "uniforms." Granted, there is a certain percentage that would be appropriate... but not the ratios they were doing... and certainty not for your wife (granted she was a part owner) who exists mainly to pick out thousands of dollars of your outfits at Rubinstein's, look good on your arm while jet-setting to the Indy500, and choose the flower arrangement for the restaurant--yet she's served no practical operation purpose except to get him out of bed every morning and dress him... I guess that counts for something, though.



The problem was that in order to accommodate this extravagant lifestyle he needed to keep raising the prices at Stella and Stanley. We warned him about pricing himself out of the market and that Stella was quickly becoming a "special occasion" only restaurant years ago but he didn't want to listen to ANYONE.



I can't imaging the base costs for operation of Stella have increased in the last several years. Had they not racked up so much debt at their commissary kitchen in Mid City, their villa at NOLA Motorsports, and all the other things mentioned above, there is no doubt they would've been able to keep the restaurant open and successful. Stella was never a cash cow, because there's not a whole lot of money in owning a medium grade fine dining restaurant but had he continued to operate it like he operated it 5-8 years ago it would be in the black and he would still be drawing a nice salary. Of course it wouldn't be enough to sustain the life they'd become accustomed to, but they'd by no means be living in squalor.



This fundraiser seems like a farce and I'm glad people seem to see it for what it is because run independently Stanley is pretty much a cash cow. If it fails--or is in danger of failing--it's only because of the above lifestyle / poor investments the Boswell's have made over the last three or four years. Again, unless the operational expenses have changed at Stanley in the last few years (which I doubt, because it's the same simple menu, staffing requirements etc for the most part) that business should be in the black by hundreds of thousands yearly--at least it that's how it used to be--even with some of the weird "research," "uniform," and "networking and marketing," choices they chose to make.



Sorry to all the servers, waiters, cooks, bussers etc who got the high hard one on this deal, it was always an epic battle between management and Scott (and the in house psychologist he hired to weed out the "cancerous people"... that was seriously a thing) to do right by you guys and a lot of us even got canned or left when we put our foot down to help keep you guys from getting (as) screwed like Scott wanted. Good luck out there.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 9:28 am
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:39 am to
You can look at it two ways. One is supporting the owner and one is supporting the employees there, who still have jobs.

Tory McPhail travels all the time on food related trips. He posts about them on social media, but they're probably in the budget or it may be that the group who asked him to go on the trip pays. Whatever way it works out, it works out. Chefs do travel, but the ones who do apparently know how to make that work out.
Posted by NC17
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:47 am to


There's just so much stuff out there about this guy it's amazing.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:51 am to
quote:

There's just so much stuff out there about this guy it's amazing.




Yeah he blew through the profits of that place.

I never went to Stella, it was just too much $$
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
39025 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:53 am to
I went for my wife's 30th birthday and it was $500 for the two of us to eat the chef's tasting with wine pairings. I wish I would have saved that kind of meal for Paris, but we vowed NEVER to spend that kind of money on food again, no matter where or what.
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
20922 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:56 am to
I also don't think McPhail owns a Ferrari and has closets full of Brioni chef coats. The guy who owned Stanley and Stella sounds like a huge egotistical jerk. I feel terrible for the employees; I hope they're able to find jobs quickly at other restaurants in the city.
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