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2011 Alternative Scenario
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:17 pm
Oregon wins the U.S.C. game.
Who deserves the nod to play LSU: Alabama, Oregon, or Oklahoma State?
The first two would be rematches. Alabama provided a much greater challenge than Oregon. Oregon scored 2 garbage touchdowns in the 4th to make the final score look close. I've read a few pages of the thread regarding Jarrett Lee's performance against Oregon and how the Special Teams and Defense bailed you out, but it doesn't change the fact that Alabama gave you more fits than Oregon.
Oklahoma State was overrated. LSU had one close win during the regular season which was a close loss for Alabama; both were elite teams.
Oklahoma State struggled to beat Texas A&M and Kansas State and blew a 17 point lead against Iowa State. Their lucky Fiesta Bowl win against Stanford strengthens my belief that Oklahoma State was not a Top 5 team.
Stanford was ranked up there as well, but they don't deserve a nod due to the blowout loss to Oregon, whom would be ranked ahead of them anyways. There's no way a team should jump it's conference champion for a spot in the national title game.
Thoughts?
Who deserves the nod to play LSU: Alabama, Oregon, or Oklahoma State?
The first two would be rematches. Alabama provided a much greater challenge than Oregon. Oregon scored 2 garbage touchdowns in the 4th to make the final score look close. I've read a few pages of the thread regarding Jarrett Lee's performance against Oregon and how the Special Teams and Defense bailed you out, but it doesn't change the fact that Alabama gave you more fits than Oregon.
Oklahoma State was overrated. LSU had one close win during the regular season which was a close loss for Alabama; both were elite teams.
Oklahoma State struggled to beat Texas A&M and Kansas State and blew a 17 point lead against Iowa State. Their lucky Fiesta Bowl win against Stanford strengthens my belief that Oklahoma State was not a Top 5 team.
Stanford was ranked up there as well, but they don't deserve a nod due to the blowout loss to Oregon, whom would be ranked ahead of them anyways. There's no way a team should jump it's conference champion for a spot in the national title game.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:18 pm to Gardevoir
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Thoughts?
havent thought about 2011 in a while, honestly
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:19 pm to Gardevoir
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Gardevoir
GTFO
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:22 pm to Gardevoir
Trololololol
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:22 pm to Gardevoir
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Oregon wins the U.S.C. game.
Who deserves the nod to play LSU: Alabama, Oregon, or Oklahoma State?
Well just like Bama, Oregon already had their shot and lost, so it still should have been Oklahoma State.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:24 pm to Gardevoir
Oregon would get the nod. Early season losses are generally more forgivable.
OSU was still ranked number 2 in the computers. The while human element of voting them 5th or 6th skewed things in the final poll.
Bama struggled last year vs LSU and UGA, and lost to ATM. Not every team that played for championships won every game with blow outs.
OSU was still ranked number 2 in the computers. The while human element of voting them 5th or 6th skewed things in the final poll.
Bama struggled last year vs LSU and UGA, and lost to ATM. Not every team that played for championships won every game with blow outs.
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:26 pm to Gardevoir
You have a TD Account based on a fricking Pokemon
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:29 pm to Gardevoir
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Thoughts?
It's Time To Move On
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:30 pm to Gardevoir
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Thoughts?
Go frick yourself.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:33 pm to Gardevoir
Doesn't matter, Alabama fans would still find a way to claim the national championship if they didn't play LSU.
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:34 pm to Gardevoir
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Oklahoma State was overrated. LSU had one close win during the regular season which was a close loss for Alabama; both were elite teams.
Oklahoma State struggled to beat Texas A&M and Kansas State and blew a 17 point lead against Iowa State. Their lucky Fiesta Bowl win against Stanford strengthens my belief that Oklahoma State was not a Top 5 team.
I've said since the time that OSU was the team that should have played LSU. All of this above is strictly subjective. Objectively they had the harder overall schedule and won their conference. Under the BCS system they should have gone. IMO. Lots of teams that have won titles have pulled a lot of games out along the way. See Ohio State in 2002 as the most glaring example.
Bama and LSU were probably the most talented teams, but what happened in 2011 was the worst of both worlds. It cheaped the regular season, which is the whole argument in favor of the BCS, while at the same time allowing a 2nd chance that playoffs give, without the benefit of multiple rounds of tests.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:35 pm to Gardevoir
who the fuk cares...go back to the sec rant... 
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:40 pm to H-Town Tiger
2011 was a joke of epic proportions.
LSU and Alabama were evenly matched. In a rematch game, the team that loses the first game has the mental/emotional advantage. It is really hard to beat a team like that twice.
LSU never should have had to play the SEC West runner-up for a national title, at team that they already beat on their home field.
LSU and Alabama split the series while playing one game AT Alabama and another at a neutral site (I know it was in New Orleans, but at least 40% of the crowd was Alabama fans, if not more). To even be fair, they would have had to play AT LSU.
It was a joke.
Oklahoma St. still should have gotten in the game. #2 in the computers, conference champs, really tough schedule, etc.
And please, none of the "two best teams" garbage. Half the SEC could have throttled Notre Dame last year. They were the worst undefeated team I have seen since Tulane in 1998. The two best teams didn't play in the title game last year and not a single Alabama fan cared one bit.
LSU and Alabama were evenly matched. In a rematch game, the team that loses the first game has the mental/emotional advantage. It is really hard to beat a team like that twice.
LSU never should have had to play the SEC West runner-up for a national title, at team that they already beat on their home field.
LSU and Alabama split the series while playing one game AT Alabama and another at a neutral site (I know it was in New Orleans, but at least 40% of the crowd was Alabama fans, if not more). To even be fair, they would have had to play AT LSU.
It was a joke.
Oklahoma St. still should have gotten in the game. #2 in the computers, conference champs, really tough schedule, etc.
And please, none of the "two best teams" garbage. Half the SEC could have throttled Notre Dame last year. They were the worst undefeated team I have seen since Tulane in 1998. The two best teams didn't play in the title game last year and not a single Alabama fan cared one bit.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:41 pm to Gardevoir
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Gardevoir
DIA..BAMA.. F
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:46 pm to AlaTiger
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And please, none of the "two best teams" garbage
I don't even know why this is even an argument.
More often than not, the BCSNC doesn't even feature the two best teams throughout the era.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:52 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I've said since the time that OSU was the team that should have played LSU. All of this above is strictly subjective. Objectively they had the harder overall schedule and won their conference. Under the BCS system they should have gone. IMO. Lots of teams that have won titles have pulled a lot of games out along the way. See Ohio State in 2002 as the most glaring example.
It's subjective to think that Oklahoma State's schedule could hold a candle to LSU's. Oklahoma State had one good win: Oklahoma. Kansas State pulled out several close victories earlier in the season, so I don't consider them great. Since we have human polls and human-instructed computers in the BCS, mentioning subjectivity alone is not a great argument, for it will always play a part.
Oklahoma State did not play in a conference championship game, and conference championship games are stupid because they don't regularly match the two best teams in the conference anyways.
I'll put it this way: Oklahoma State had 2 wins over team that finished the season ranked: #15 Kansas State (blown out by Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl and barely beating several other unranked teams) and #16 Oklahoma (lost to unranked Texas Tech and a decent yet awing Baylor team). Alabama had one: #5 ranked Arkansas that blew out Kansas State and also beat Texas A&M by a narrow margin. Arkansas only had two blowout losses to legit. Top 5 teams. I know 2 > 1, but compare that to LSU's 5 wins over Oregon, West Virginia, Alabama, Arkansas, and Georgia. Oregon can match two too; they would have defeated U.S.C (unranked in the BCS) and Stanford.
The transitive property does not work in football, and since you can't prove that Oklahoma State was better than Oregon and Alabama, I'll stand my ground that they were overrated.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:01 pm to Gardevoir
This isn't going to work on most LSU fans.
It's the principle of the fact that you shouldn't be rewarded a freebie win a redo for it all when you don't win your own division.
Yeah, it's whiny. It gets embarrassing sometimes. But I don't expect any other fanbase (in the SEC, anyway) to take it any better had it happened to anyone else (including yours).
It's the principle of the fact that you shouldn't be rewarded a freebie win a redo for it all when you don't win your own division.
Yeah, it's whiny. It gets embarrassing sometimes. But I don't expect any other fanbase (in the SEC, anyway) to take it any better had it happened to anyone else (including yours).
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:02 pm to Jrv2damac
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I don't even know why this is even an argument.
More often than not, the BCSNC doesn't even feature the two best teams throughout the era.
Correct. It doesn't, but it's not just the BCS system. How often did it feature the best teams in older systems? The bowl system was an even bigger joke before the BCS, and don't even get me started laughing over split titles and the game before "overtime" was invented.
I'm just trying to start a debate, but a few LSU fans are making it unhealthy. If you don't like the topic, you don't have to respond. I'll just ignore the mean people.
What does my username have to do with my arguments? Nothing. Seriously, those who make a comment about it need to get over themselves. I see shittier, non-descriptive, and/or less creative usernames than that regularly. There's nothing wrong with having a memento of my younger years as my username; I'm only 19.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:03 pm to Gardevoir
It's probably because I didn't like Pokemon or its fanatics growing up.
and the fact you're a Pokemon addict Bama fan is like puking on a pile of shite.
and the fact you're a Pokemon addict Bama fan is like puking on a pile of shite.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:07 pm to Jrv2damac
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This isn't going to work on most LSU fans.
I see.
Thanks for being calm and polite. quote:
It's the principle of the fact that you shouldn't be rewarded a freebie win a redo for it all when you don't win your own division.
It wasn't entirely free. Other teams had to lose. Also, did one extra week of rest make a difference in the title game?
Nearly everyone has needed some fortune or help in getting to the title game. 2011 Alabama was not an exception, nor do I consider it the worst selection in BCS history. I'll agree that 12-0 Notre Dame did not belong there. Most teams get better as the season progresses like Stanford and Texas A&M. Both were two-loss teams and had no shot at the title game, but would have provided a much greater challenge than Notre Dame.
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Yeah, it's whiny. It gets embarrassing sometimes. But I don't expect any other fanbase (in the SEC, anyway) to take it any better had it happened to anyone else (including yours).
If the rematch played out the way it did, then yes. However, there's no way to know how Alabama would have played if they'd won the first game. Nick Saban's is topped by none when it comes to bowl game preparation and execution.
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