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re: 2011 Alternative Scenario
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:08 pm to Gardevoir
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:08 pm to Gardevoir
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I'll put it this way: Oklahoma State had 2 wins over team that finished the season ranked:
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Alabama had one
All that other stuff you typed is irrelevant
It is offensive that the voters just assumed that based on such a feeble resume that Alabama was deserving of a rematch when another team like OSU, whose offense was at least as dominant throughout every game they played as Alabama's defense was, did not even deserve a chance.
The BCS was created to ensure that conference bowl tie ins would not prohibit a matchup to determine a champion.
The LSU Alabama matchup had already occurred. It was settled on the field. There was no need for the BCS to give us that matchup.
Oklahoma and the Big 12 were the ones that the BCS was designed to protect in such a scenario, and it was not allowed to because of a few voters that had an agenda and dishonestly placed OSU as 5 or 6 on their ballots to ensure that Alabama would get the Rematch.
Those voters committed a fraud on the system, and it is a travesty that will live in infamy IMO.
I know, I know, butthurt, 21-0 yada yada.
Alabama was a better team than LSU in 2011. I can admit that.
Which makes our victory over them in Tuscaloosa all the more impressive, and yet another mark against their resume that they did not take care of business the way a champion should.
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 3:11 pm
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:09 pm to Jrv2damac
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It's probably because I didn't like Pokemon or its fanatics growing up.
and the fact you're a Pokemon addict Bama fan is like puking on a pile of shite.
That's a personal problem that you have.
I haven't regularly owned and played Pokemon games since Jr. High school. I'm not a Pokemon addict; it was just the username I came up with.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:10 pm to Gardevoir
All those toolbags talking about it nonstop and getting in their circles at Recess with their Game boys.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:13 pm to Gardevoir
Nick Saban's is topped by none when it comes to bowl game preparation and execution.
Signed UTAH Sugar Bowl 2009 31 17
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:17 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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It is offensive that the voters just assumed that based on such a feeble resume that Alabama was deserving of a rematch when another team like OSU, whose offense was at least as dominant throughout every game they played as Alabama's defense was, did not even deserve a chance.
The BCS was created to ensure that conference bowl tie ins would not prohibit a matchup to determine a champion.
The LSU Alabama matchup had already occurred. It was settled on the field. There was no need for the BCS to give us that matchup.
Oklahoma and the Big 12 were the ones that the BCS was designed to protect in such a scenario, and it was not allowed to because of a few voters that had an agenda and dishonestly placed OSU as 5 or 6 on their ballots to ensure that Alabama would get the Rematch.
Those voters committed a fraud on the system, and it is a travesty that will live in infamy IMO.
Was Oklahoma State's schedule really that frightening? For them maybe, but for Alabama or LSU no. How many elite defenses did Oklahoma State face? 0. The Big 12 hasn't fared well against SEC teams lately. They score well below their average and give up more points than other SEC defenses would allow.
The BCS has failed several times before. I don't understand why people pass off whether or not Alabama or Oklahoma state was the better as irrelevant. I'm pretty sure that LSU would have beaten Oklahoma State by the double digits. Oklahoma State hadn't seen a defense even remotely comparable to Alabama or LSU's. Your elite Special Teams would have given them problems too.
Another thing to consider is that some teams lose games but wind up much better later on. Also, the ranking system is flawed. There are many ignore factors in college football, and that's why I think the 4-team playoff won't fix much. 2010 Alabama finished with 3 losses and would not have made a 4-team playoff; however, they were capable of beating anyone towards the end of the season, and the team that played in the Capital One Bowl was healthier and more mature than the regular season team that lost 3 games.
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:22 pm to ps101
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Nick Saban's is topped by none when it comes to bowl game preparation and execution.
Signed UTAH Sugar Bowl 2009 31 17
I didn't say he was perfect. Name me an FBS, AQ coach with a better bowl record than Nick Saban's Alabama since 2008. 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012 were all dominating, blowout wins in big bowls. Show me who's done better. Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:25 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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I know, I know, butthurt, 21-0 yada yada.
Alabama was a better team than LSU in 2011. I can admit that.
Which makes our victory over them in Tuscaloosa all the more impressive,
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and yet another mark against their resume that they did not take care of business the way a champion should.
You lost me there with "the way a champion should". Must I bring up 2003 and 2007 LSU? While you didn't get a rematch in either title game, you most certainly did not control your destiny from start to finish; you needed help, just like anyone else that didn't finish undefeated, with a strong schedule, or voter bias.Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:29 pm to Gardevoir
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Must I bring up 2003 and 2007 LSU? While you didn't get a rematch in either title game, you most certainly did not control your destiny from start to finish
LSU won their division and conference both years, and no one got hosed on LSU's behalf.
USC did in 2003, but that's because OU didn't deserve to be there. Luckily, the AP fellatio paid off for them and all they had to do to get recognized as an NC was to beat pussy Michigan.
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:37 pm to Jrv2damac
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LSU won their division and conference both years, and no one got hosed on LSU's behalf.
USC did in 2003, but that's because OU didn't deserve to be there.
Doesn't mean the best match was selected either year. Records have some issues. 1-loss Ohio State had a better win/loss record than everyone else that mattered, but they weren't worthy of a BCS invite. "The Year of the Upset". You're right that Oklahoma did not deserve to be there; that was yet another incorrect selection.
Winning national championships is good, but beating the best if what makes you great. LSU did not play the best possible team in 2003 and 2007 for the national championship. Alabama did not play the best possible opponent after the 2012 season for the national championship.
2008: Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Texas are in a 3-way tie, but Oklahoma is selected; they lost the BCSNCG 24-14. U.S.C. wasn't bad that year either; they statistically had one of the nation's best defenses.
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:39 pm to Gardevoir
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You lost me there with "the way a champion should". Must I bring up 2003 and 2007 LSU? While you didn't get a rematch in either title game, you most certainly did not control your destiny from start to finis
Obviously.
But the difference is that Alabama did NOTHING after their loss to earn their way back in to the game.
LSU certainly did in 03 and 07, and so did OSU. LSU also had the most impressive wins in the country in 07 as well.
OSU beat the best team on their schedule in the final game by five touchdowns to win their conference while Alabama sat at home.
Was the Arkansas win in SEPTEMBER truly so overwhelming as to overshadow a win like OSUs over an Oklahoma team just as good as Arkansas??
And I admitted Alabama was better than LSU, but that's in hindsight after 1/9.
I certainly wouldn't have accepted that in December. But the media had already annointed Bama as the better team despite the scoreboard.
Alabama got the same benefit of the doubt that OU did in 03 after losing their last game.
A benefit that the media was so outraged by they broke off from the BCS and split the title.
LSU was coincidentally, and infuriatingly, the victim in both of those cases.
It leads many of us to feel like a media whipping boy from time to time, and I challenge any fanbase to say they wouldn't feel the same
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:41 pm to Jrv2damac
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You have a TD Account based on a fricking Pokemon
The fact that you know that is just as embarrassing for yourself.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:45 pm to Gardevoir
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Oregon wins the U.S.C. game.
Who deserves the nod to play LSU: Alabama, Oregon, or Oklahoma State?
There was no scenario where the second best team in the SECW deserved a shot at the National championship...so my official answer is I don't give a frick.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:46 pm to LSU=Champions
I, like him, played quite a bit of Nintendo growing up. Pokemon was apart of the Nintendo franchise. How is that embarrassing? I wasn't originally going to enter this old arse debate, so I decided to give him shite for liking Pokemon.
:shrug:
:shrug:
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:52 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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You lost me there with "the way a champion should". Must I bring up 2003 and 2007 LSU? While you didn't get a rematch in either title game, you most certainly did not control your destiny from start to finis Obviously. But the difference is that Alabama did NOTHING after their loss to earn their way back in to the game. LSU certainly did in 03 and 07, and so did OSU. LSU also had the most impressive wins in the country in 07 as well. OSU beat the best team on their schedule in the final game by five touchdowns to win their conference while Alabama sat at home. Was the Arkansas win in SEPTEMBER truly so overwhelming as to overshadow a win like OSUs over an Oklahoma team just as good as Arkansas?? And I admitted Alabama was better than LSU, but that's in hindsight after 1/9. I certainly wouldn't have accepted that in December. But the media had already annointed Bama as the better team despite the scoreboard. Alabama got the same benefit of the doubt that OU did in 03 after losing their last game. A benefit that the media was so outraged by they broke off from the BCS and split the title. LSU was coincidentally, and infuriatingly, the victim in both of those cases. It leads many of us to feel like a media whipping boy from time to time, and I challenge any fanbase to say they wouldn't feel the same
Best description of what happened that I have ever seen.
Agree completely.
I will never accept Alabama's championship in 2011 as legitimate based on the system that was in place. They got a do-over and the made the most of it. Lots of teams could have done that throughout the years.
LSU should have played a new opponent - a conference champion. Not a division runner-up.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:57 pm to Gardevoir
Factor in that Bama lost at home to LSU, while Oregon lost an away game that essentially had a LSU home game feel to it to me. That being said - I go with Okie St. first, Oregon second and Bama third.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 3:59 pm to AlaTiger
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LSU should have played a new opponent - a conference champion. Not an SECW runner-up.
FIFY
It would have been bad enough to have to face a non champion from another conference that had not even made it to it's own conference championship game...but to have to face a team from within it's own DIVISION after beating that same team in their own damn yard when everyone assumed that game meant everything?
Come on...
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:01 pm to AlaTiger
Might as well not accept the overwhelming majority of past national championships then.
I don't think the 4-team playoff will make things much better. Conference championship games can introduce a team that didn't even win it's division into the playoff over the division winner. See last year. Alabama defeated Georgia, and Florida got the Sugar Bowl bid and the higher ranking. If we had a playoff last year, would you be okay with Florida getting the nod over the SEC Championship game loser?
I don't think the 4-team playoff will make things much better. Conference championship games can introduce a team that didn't even win it's division into the playoff over the division winner. See last year. Alabama defeated Georgia, and Florida got the Sugar Bowl bid and the higher ranking. If we had a playoff last year, would you be okay with Florida getting the nod over the SEC Championship game loser?
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:04 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Alabama was a better team than LSU in 2011. I can admit that
False. LSU was undefeated in 2011. Alabama was second in their division, and didn't play for conference title. LSU was the best team in the conference. They already printed the shirts.
Outside of 1/9 I have never seen an objective argument as to why Bama was the better team during the regular season. Margin of victory was similar vs common opponents, but Bama didn't play anyone else worth a damn outside of the SEC West.
Bama rode into the championship using LSU as a proxy for what could have been. The media sold it, and the human polls bought it.
LSU flat out shite the bed during the NCG in 2012. It is what it is.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:05 pm to Bmath
I feel bad for any fan that spent 1000s upon 1000s of dollars to watch such a shitty game in person....
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:07 pm to Jrv2damac
I got paid to stand in the Bama endzone. Could have been worse...
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