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re: 2011 Alternative Scenario

Posted on 7/30/13 at 5:27 pm to
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 5:27 pm to
quote:

Were they the better team 1/9? Yea I'll give them that, but to say they were a better team than LSU in 2011 is just ignorant



It really isn't ignorant at all.

Were they head and shoulders better? Not at all. The Ds were very similar, although I think Bama's was better at shutting teams down, while LSU's was a big play, momentum swinging machine, mostly due to TM7's historical play.

Running games were about equal, although I think Bama's D was better built to stop a running game like ours than we were to stop a straight ahead downhill running team like theirs. Our D strength was speed. Bama's OL could negate that by running straight at us. We held our own, but I think their matchup was better than ours.

But the real advantage was at QB. The bottom line is, against an all time level great D like Bama's, the limitations of our QBs were painfully obvious BOTH games.

I hadn't seen AJ play substantially better against a great D like LSU's than our QBs had until 1/9. That's why the "eyeball test" argument was bullshite by the media. There was NO indication that AJ could attack our D the way he did in The Rematch, so there was no reason to think that the game would be much different if played again other than maybe Bama winning 9-6, which wouldn't prove anything anyway.

Clearly his play this past year showed that 1/9 wasn't a fluke but was the game it all came together for him and he became a very good QB.

We didn't have a very good QB. We just didn't, as much as JJ or Lee partisans can't admit.

Regardless of whether they were "good" or not, however, no one should argue that either of them were ever going to consistently make plays against a D as good as Bama's was in 2011. That's my honest opinion after rewatching every game from that season, including both Bama games, multiple times (what can I say, I'm a huge nerd )

Our only chance to win was a big return, which we never got in either game, although Wing played great in the first game. Bama's coverage was solid and negated our biggest scoring threat against them.


None of this is disrespect to LSU in 2011. It's the most amazing season I've ever seen a Tiger team put together, and it's precisely BECAUSE of those limitations that we were able to overcome that makes them so special.

I love that team and think they got the all time screw job after winning THE GAME OF THE CENTURY, disregarding the monumental win that we achieved in Tuscaloosa.


This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 7:14 pm
Posted by im4LSU
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 5:28 pm to
The lengths you've gone to in this thread trying to convince LSU fans that Alabama deserved the rematch almost makes me think it's not actually us you are trying to convince, but it is yourself who is in need of convincing.


For Christ's sake man, you pimped arkyky as bamas signature win in '11

This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 5:30 pm
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 5:41 pm to
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Actually, it was 3 (4 if you count Stanford in the bowl game). They beat #13 Baylor, #15 KSU, and #16 OU. And while they didn't play any great defenses, they did play some great offenses. Baylor was 4th in the nation in scoring. OSU held em to 24 points. OU was 10th. They scored 10.


Yeah I didn't think 2 sounded right. Just didn't feel like looking it up. Thanks Baloo.


quote:

1996 Florida lost to Florida State but blew them out in the rematch. Was this unfair to Florida State? Would you back up everyone that was "robbed" by the system? You learn a lot of things after the bowl games are played.



This is nowhere near the same scenario.

Of course the Sugar Bowl matched up Florida and Florida State. Due to the bowl tie ins, they really didn't have any other choice.

But they would 100% have matched up FSU with Arizona State if the BCS was in place.

That, along with the Michigan Nebraska split title was the very reason the BCS was created.

To ensure that bowl tie ins didn't prevent match ups to determine the champion ON THE FIELD.

LSU and Alabama played ON THE FIELD. The BCS didn't need to arrange that matchup to see what would happen.

It was Big 12 Champ OSU's turn to play the SEC Champ to see who the champion would be for the 2011 season.

There is no argument that can contradict that.


You say Alabama was the "best". I agree, IN HINDSIGHT.

But in December of 2011, Alabama's only argument that they were a better team than OSU was because they had a "better LOSS".


That, my friend, is an offensive catering to the LCD.

"Best loss" is not an accomplishment. By it's very definition a loss is a failure to achieve a desired result.

A "best loss" argument should only be used as a last resort if ALL other factors are equal.

OSU accomplished more on the field than Alabama had in December of 2011. That just really isn't up for debate.


The media and AP were OUTRAGED when a conference non-champ was rewarded in 2003 over USC, and split the title and ended their affiliation with the BCS because of it.

In 2011, they did the exact opposite and robbed LSU and OSU of a deserved matchup to play on the field to decide who was the national champion on 1/9.


And no, I don't think ESPN did what they did because they hate LSU.

It's much simpler than that. They did it for money.

They sabotaged the BCS system so that they could reap hundreds of millions of dollars in profit to televise a playoff system, and their plan worked to perfection.

The fact that LSU was the team to suffer the most from their scheme was nothing more than a comical coincidence in their eyes.
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 6:05 pm
Posted by SBC
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 5:42 pm to
Bama was the least deserving team under any scenario.
Posted by Thunder Tiger
Member since Sep 2011
2608 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 5:54 pm to
quote:

You can claim that LSU screwed themselves over on 1/9/12 but won't admit that Alabama f'd up on 11/5/11. I was hoping this would be a healthy debate, but it didn't turn out that way.

And you claim Bama screwed themselves on 11/5, but won't admit that LSU shite the bed on 1/9. See how that works? Failing to concede the other team was simply better on each day makes you just as responsible as anyone for the lack of a "healthy debate."
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 6:05 pm
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 6:00 pm to
This guy comes to the Rant to convince us why his 2nd place division team deserved the NC over the conf champ and gets pissy when he fails. There's no logic to back up Bama.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 6:07 pm to
He's just trying to restore order. Gotta put us coonass LSU fans in our place.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 6:07 pm to
Solid summation.
Posted by Gardevoir
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 6:24 pm to
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He's just trying to restore order. Gotta put us coonass LSU fans in our place.
It is the internet; how do you put someone in their place online?

I've read the rest of the comments since my last post, and I hope no one was seriously put off by my topic. Please don't let this thread taint your views of me. Don't let my fan status and username fool you either. It's hard to see purely objectively, but I'm willing to reason with others and listen to both sides.

I'm not a bad person, and I didn't intend to offend anyone.

Have a good evening.
Posted by Thunder Tiger
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 6:25 pm to
quote:

Tiger Voodoo
quote:

Solid summation.

Indeed.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 6:54 pm to
I never get tired of discussing 2011. No worries. Not much else to talk about in the offseason.
Posted by im4LSU
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2004
32075 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 7:18 pm to
quote:

Tiger Voodoo


What he said
Posted by GeorgeReymond
Buckhead
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 7:43 pm to
2011 was such an unbelievable season with so many highs but at the end of the day remains tainted by 1/9. I don't care what anyone says, Alabama did not deserve to be there. You aren't going to convince me nor most LSU fans of that - period. Coming here and posting a "healthy debate" looks like you're trying to convince yourself on how you got to the game.

If the roles where reversed and Alabama won in Tusc and goes to win the SEC and when selection time comes, LSU is chosen and then goes on to smash Alabama in the MNC. I would be ecstatic that we won but in all honesty would not believe we deserved to be there.

At the end of the day, Oklahoma State lacked the brand name, if it would of been Texas in OSU's shoes it would have been LSU vs Texas. But don't bother that, that's all hypothetical.

Alabama showed up with the better gameplan, preparation, and with emotional ties that history shows can rival any gameplan an opponent presents. 1) They wanted revenge from the loss in Tuscolossa and 2) Tuscaolossa Tornado.

It is what it is. I'm sick of hearing about the game in all reality. The past is past and hopefully CLM learns from his mistakes and maybe one day the playoff system will be better

Saban has accomplished some great things at Alabama but he is far from untouchable. Many things have fell in his favor. However, its hard to see past that due to the medias involvement.

This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 7:48 pm
Posted by TigerBlieux
Member since Sep 2012
112 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 9:18 pm to
Nick's had his share of flop games! People act like he is Chuck Norris or something.
Posted by TigerBlieux
Member since Sep 2012
112 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 9:25 pm to
We lost, F it! I take pride In every season knowing all teams fear us! Bama fans know they can't look at stats for that game. We can lose 3 next year and still pull one off against them. That is life in the sec!
Posted by TigerBlieux
Member since Sep 2012
112 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 9:27 pm to
We lost, F it! I take pride In every season knowing all teams fear us! Bama fans know they can't look at stats for that game. We can lose 3 next year and still pull one off against them. That is life in the sec!
Posted by TigerBlieux
Member since Sep 2012
112 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 9:27 pm to
Nick's had his share of flop games! People act like he is Chuck Norris or something.
Posted by KaufmanATiger
The 'Boro
Member since Aug 2009
382 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 9:32 pm to
Forget about 2011& start worrying about 2013. November 9th in particular my friend.
Posted by afreis
Birmingham
Member since Aug 2009
194 posts
Posted on 7/31/13 at 12:00 am to
Mulligan gonna mulligan.
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24839 posts
Posted on 7/31/13 at 12:30 am to
I know I am late to the thread but...


BITCH YOU LOST! Had your name been anything other than Gump U, or maybe USC, you wouldn't have gotten another shot. you are a cousin fricker and I hope you die in a fire!

thank you.
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