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re: Tesla making honest car dealers very angry
Posted on 5/21/13 at 3:30 pm to Rougarou4lsu
Posted on 5/21/13 at 3:30 pm to Rougarou4lsu
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Bet they come immediately with all the parts needed to repair and the diagnostics And you paid list price for it, didn't you? because of no competition. Also, you couldn't trade in your old car....could you? Which means you got no tax credit for it....
- I wasn't trying to trade in my old car so I didn't even ask about their policy
- they do come out to you for $100 and handle everything or about 30 min from me there is a tesla hub to service vehicles. There are no oil changes or services so not much should ever go wrong
- I didn't mind paying full sticker bc I get the spaciousness and performance of $160k Mercedes S63 for about $70k less with a cheaper gas and insurance bill. I could never fathom driving an S63 to work bc running between my convenience stores,the bank, and going to pick up supplies I do about 150-175 miles a day, in a 9 mpg S63 I'd be looking at $50/day of gas.
-The Tesla leaves me with 2 trunks(no engine in front), a 4 door car with sportscar like performance, and "gas" bill that is about .02-.03 per mile
I figure over 5 years I'll save $40-50K in gas and thus paying $80K+ for a car makes it a spectacular move on my part, the leases on the other hand have a limit of 15k miles a year
If I save $40K over 5 years in gas and sell the car for even $25-30K I'll have a phenomenal ownership experience bc even though I get "free gas" owning convenience stores I'm really saving 10-15 cents a gallon whoopity doo
This post was edited on 5/21/13 at 3:38 pm
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Posted on 5/21/13 at 3:36 pm to TejasHorn
I am certainly not an expert on the car industry (dealer vs manafucturer and how all this affects the buying public and price levels), but the fact that some are "blocking" them from selling cars in certain states just seems wrong to me.
It also doesn't seem like it would be legal, either.
It also doesn't seem like it would be legal, either.
This post was edited on 5/21/13 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 5/21/13 at 3:40 pm to JPLSU1981
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It also doesn't seem like it would be legal, either.
It's America. Land of the fr.....
Posted on 5/21/13 at 3:43 pm to JPLSU1981
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It also doesn't seem like it would be legal, either.
Come on, now, it's America! Corporate lobbying to create laws to guarantee your own profits is the norm!!
Posted on 5/21/13 at 3:48 pm to WikiTiger
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Come on, now, it's America! Corporate lobbying to create laws to guarantee your own profits is the norm!!
Pretty much, especially in the auto industry
Posted on 5/21/13 at 4:47 pm to ThaBigFella
What happens if there is a problem they can't fix quickly, do they give you a loaner car?
The one thing you can't predict is long term reliability.
Is there a map that shows charging stations around the USA? What happens if you travel and need to charge, how is that cost handled?
The one thing you can't predict is long term reliability.
Is there a map that shows charging stations around the USA? What happens if you travel and need to charge, how is that cost handled?
Posted on 5/21/13 at 4:58 pm to Rougarou4lsu
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And you paid list price for it, didn't you? because of no competition.
He paid what Tesla determined would be the best market price, just like manufacturers of appliances, home furnishings, and just about anything else you would want to buy, instead of wasting hours playing playing games with a car salesman to arrive at what most people know going into a dealership is the market price.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 6:11 pm to WikiTiger
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wait, wait, let me guess, you're in the auto sales industry???
Wrong, I operate a tour company.
But I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
This post was edited on 5/21/13 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 5/28/13 at 5:20 pm to ThaBigFella
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 5/28/13 at 5:23 pm to the LSUSaint
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Someone explain. It has a range of 300 miles and costs approx .02/mile to charge. That's $60 per 300 miles.
That would be $6.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 5:26 pm to the LSUSaint
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Someone explain. It has a range of 300 miles and costs approx .02/mile to charge. That's $60 per 300 miles.
At 2 cents per mile, it'll take $6 (not $60) per 300 miles. Assuming fuel prices are at $3.00 per gallon with a fuel efficiency of 35 mpg, it would take 8.57 gallons and $25.71 to get 300 miles.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 5:26 pm to Chris Farley
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That would be $6.
stupid oversight on my part
Posted on 5/28/13 at 5:28 pm to Chris Farley
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That would be $6.
Simple math is too hard for some people.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 5:32 pm to Anfield Road
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At 2 cents per mile, it'll take $6 (not $60) per 300 miles. Assuming fuel prices are at $3.00 per gallon with a fuel efficiency of 35 mpg, it would take 8.57 gallons and $25.71 to get 300 miles.
This is a strong argument for those in favor of solar panels on a home. Damn, if you do both solar panels and a car like this, with all of the tax incentives, it is a no-brainer.
Wow! I drive a couple hundred miles a day a few times a week. I'm def gonna look at this setup hard this week. I've already received a quote on my home solar system...
Question, if you accidentally run low on power, in theory, could you plug it in to any outlet and get enough juice to get back home or to a charging station?
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 5/28/13 at 5:36 pm to TheDiesel
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Simple math is too hard for some people.
Take your crap to the rant, this isn't the forum for you.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 5:56 pm to the LSUSaint
just went to site and priced a loaded S....
$108,000!
So I go to the "saving estimator" and put in 120,000 miles at $3.20/gal and 22 mpg. It saved a WHOPPING $14000.
I'd rather buy a $60,000 high-end sedan that gets 22 mpg and pocket the savings (minus the $14k in gas loss and incentives). It would have to be over $48000 of savings to make up for the purchase price.
They charge extra for color change!?
I will sit this one out until demand brings that cost in half. AM I missing something? I am using a very rough estimates. I guess resale value at the end of 120k miles would be a factor as well.
Any stats on driving 70 mph? Using 55 as a chart is kinda useless since most majors are 70 mph.
Also, city driving averages what?
Just not nearly a go yet in my book.
$108,000!
So I go to the "saving estimator" and put in 120,000 miles at $3.20/gal and 22 mpg. It saved a WHOPPING $14000.
I'd rather buy a $60,000 high-end sedan that gets 22 mpg and pocket the savings (minus the $14k in gas loss and incentives). It would have to be over $48000 of savings to make up for the purchase price.
They charge extra for color change!?
I will sit this one out until demand brings that cost in half. AM I missing something? I am using a very rough estimates. I guess resale value at the end of 120k miles would be a factor as well.
Any stats on driving 70 mph? Using 55 as a chart is kinda useless since most majors are 70 mph.
Also, city driving averages what?
Just not nearly a go yet in my book.
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 5/28/13 at 5:57 pm to the LSUSaint
I bet you check your math next time before you post. Don't take everything so personally.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 6:05 pm to TheDiesel
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I bet you check your math next time before you post. Don't take everything so personally.
Yeah, it was sooo hard for the other pster to catch it and handle with class. Again, the Rant and OT are good for that, not here.
Not taking it personal, just trying to help you. I made a mistake while juggling tasks, big deal.
Have a good one
Posted on 5/28/13 at 6:19 pm to TejasHorn
quote:First, this would be no issue IF TELSA WAS NOT TIT SUCKING OFF OF THE FEDS for financial supplementals. Therein lies the rub.
Tesla making honest car dealers very angry
Second, Tesla's model is still up in the air.
Can it work?
We'll see.
I can tell you point blank they'd have sold few or no cars here w/o a test drive avail.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 6:49 pm to NC_Tigah
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First, this would be no issue IF TELSA WAS NOT TIT SUCKING OFF OF THE FEDS for financial supplementals. Therein lies the rub.
Man, $108k for a car, Fed bankrolls production, fed bankrolls sales thru incentives, and I'm sure Fed bankrolls charging stations as well...
No telling what the cost of all this truly is, but it is NOT worth it at this time, not even close.
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