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atlau
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Question about terrorism



I have seen a couple of posts about terror organizations/ terrorists on this board, so I figured I'd post this and see if anyone can answer a question and help me settle a debate I am having with a friend.

Based on Sharia law, there are certain things devout Muslims can't do, i.e. drink. It seems like I picked up somewhere that terrorists use a verse from the Koran to justify breaking religious law in order to blend into western cultures. Does anyone know if this is true and if so can you provide a link?

And as a disclaimer I DON'T think all Muslims are terrorists.







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Like most religions with a scriptural basis, you can interpret it as needed to suit your goals.





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It all goes to who considered an infidel. Everything is off the table as sacred when an infidel is concerned, and that is not interpratation but in the Koran.





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UGATiger26
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It seems like I picked up somewhere that terrorists use a verse from the Koran to justify breaking religious law in order to blend into western cultures


In terms of a passage from the Qu'ran or Hadith, it's probably in there somewhere.

To get you started though, look up "Taqiyya"






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Zach
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The simplest way to explain it: The Koran says Ends justifies the means. That eliminates contradictions and allows justifications for atrocities.






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atlau
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UGAtiger26
To get you started though, look up "Taqiyya"




Thanks. I found this when I Googled. It's off some random site, but it's the idea I was looking for. Now I just need to find it in a more reliable place.

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During the Spanish inquisition, Sunni Moriscos attended mass and returned home to wash their hands of the ‘holy water’. In operational terms, taqiyya and kitman allowed the ‘mujahadeen ’ to assume whatever identity was necessary to fulfil their mission; they had doctrinal and theological and later jurisprudential sanction to pretend to be Jews or Christians to gain access to Christian and Jewish targets: ‘the mujahadeen can take the shape of the enemy’.



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Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.




The Qur'an:
Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."

Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.




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trackfan
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I think I remember reading that the 9/11 hijackers were instructed to do things such as go clean shaven, wear western clothes, drink, chase women and don't spend too much time at Mosques, in order to blend in.





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I think I remember reading that the 9/11 hijackers were instructed to do things such as go clean shaven, wear western clothes, drink, chase women and don't spend too much time at Mosques, in order to blend in.

Most of the 9/11 hijackers didn't know it was a suicide mission. They thought it was a hijack.







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