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re: When did the idea that we're all "created equally" become a widely held belief?

Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:15 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:15 pm to
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Poor kid's should never think they can get ahead in today's world. Be content with your lot you dirty scum..


Yeah, too bad some of those scum dreamed big and succeeded. Little frickers didn't know their place.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:17 pm to
If you call yourself Christian, there is also this from Galatians:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

That would've been about two thousand years ago.
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:18 pm to
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People (younger, mostly?) believe that the American system guarantees equality of outcomes, instead of the originally intended equality of opportunity.
The core issue here is that people are born with equal protection under the law and equal opportunity. However, they are not born with equal talent, skill, or socio-economic situations.

People with more skill and talent in football will make the nfl, whereas I have no shot no matter how hard I work. It's a matter of genetics more than opportunity. As I had an equal opportunity, but not born with equal chance.

The mistake a lot of people make is that they believe in equal outcomes, and that was never part of the deal. The key is finding the correct niche for your particular talents and skills and exploiting them for the maximum benefit.
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:19 pm to
"We are the middle children of history, raised by television to believe that someday we'll be millionaires and movie stars and rock stars, but we won't. And we're just learning this fact. So don't frick with us.”

Tyler Durden

Is this your perspective?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:20 pm to
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The core issue here is that people are born with equal protection under the law and equal opportunity. However, they are not born with equal talent, skill, or socio-economic situations.


Yep. It has nothing to do with the ability to be a worker drone, or captain of industry.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:20 pm to
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People (younger, mostly?) believe that the American system guarantees equality of outcomes, instead of the originally intended equality of opportunity.


Neither is equal today, and the gap is widening. You can think that it is the justifiable product of the system, or you can think it is the greatest threat we have ever faced as a nation. But it is absolutely true.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:21 pm to
Created equally and choosing not to love up to your potential is now the same thing
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:22 pm to
More of a religion issue than a race issue imo
Posted by mikrit54
Robeline
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:24 pm to
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
11875 posts
Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:27 pm to
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created equally
This has nothing to do with everyone being created with equal potential. Absolutely. Nothing.
Posted by HaveMercy
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 9:48 pm to
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the moment you are born your soul is the same as everyone else's


The Enlightment thinkers drew heavily from Petrach who espoused the belief that God create each person with a soul; but he also gave "man" free will or what he referred to as the ability to rise to the level of the Angels or sink the level of the beasts.
This opposed the prevailing assumption at the time that some people were born better than others - that's how Kings and Queens were made...

Imagine this nation's trajectory if the word "created" had been omitted...
Posted by The Dudes Rug
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 9:58 pm to
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 10:16 pm to
quote:

When did the idea that we're all "created equally" become a widely held belief?


7-4-1776

Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72129 posts
Posted on 5/3/15 at 10:20 pm to
People have a very incorrect view of that phrase.

We are all created equally in the eyes of the government.

We are not all created equally in the eyes of biology, intelligence, skill, etc.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 10:23 pm to
that's what i mean

when did this bastardization occur?
Posted by Wooly
Member since Feb 2012
13851 posts
Posted on 5/3/15 at 11:32 pm to
All men ARE created equal. What they do with their life after their "creation" will differ greatly.
Posted by Cilantro Bodega
Member since Apr 2015
103 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 12:05 am to
We're all shite. Hunks of sentient carbon on this flying ball of rock and water, hurtling through space at 900 miles per second, through a galaxy that we are an infinitesimally insignificant part of.
Kings whose dynasties ruled for hundreds of years are forgotten today. Relagated to the dustbin of history.

You will die after a terribly brief interval upon this earth, be chucked into the dirt, and forgotten as your loved ones slowly stop bringing flowers to your grave. Eventually, your progeny, if you are lucky enough to have them, will forget where you are buried. Barring being some powerful psychopath who slaughters millions, you will be utterly disremembered except for a possible footnote on ancestry.com.

The world will move on and you will not. You will rot. So will we all.

And one day the Sun will explode and the great magnificence our species has created shall be snuffed in an instant. We as a race will have, metaphorically and literally, bit it.

So a bit of feel good words written on parchment isn't going to matter. Equal.
Hah. We're equal before we are alive and after.

That's it.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 12:13 am
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 12:07 am to
i can always count on you to frick these people up with some truth
Posted by MisterSenator
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:26 am to
Created equally as in born with the same inherent rights.

And the government they sought to create was to protect those rights equally for all under the law.
Posted by DanW1
Member since Jan 2013
1103 posts
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:43 am to
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And one day the Sun will explode and the great magnificence our species has created shall be snuffed in an instant. We as a race will have, metaphorically and literally, bit it.


If our species manages to last another 5.4 billion years then I'd guarantee the sun exploding wouldn't be a problem.

I don't see us lasting a million
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