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re: When did the idea that we're all "created equally" become a widely held belief?
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:46 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:46 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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First of all, this isn't about race but I'm sure that's what this thread will devolve to.
We all know it's bullshite. I'm certainly "better" or more valuable than some 45 year old who can't hold down a job, and there are a lot of people "better" than me.
Why do we feed our children these lies? This is a big problem in our society imo.
ETA: When did people begin to move away from "equal under law" to simply "equal?" That is what i was trying to ask.
Methy post is methy.
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 4:00 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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it's damaging to poor kids, because they dream too big
Yep. Cuz frick ambition.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 4:06 am to Cilantro Bodega
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We're all shite. Hunks of sentient carbon on this flying ball of rock and water, hurtling through space at 900 miles per second, through a galaxy that we are an infinitesimally insignificant part of.
Kings whose dynasties ruled for hundreds of years are forgotten today. Relagated to the dustbin of history.
You will die after a terribly brief interval upon this earth, be chucked into the dirt, and forgotten as your loved ones slowly stop bringing flowers to your grave. Eventually, your progeny, if you are lucky enough to have them, will forget where you are buried. Barring being some powerful psychopath who slaughters millions, you will be utterly disremembered except for a possible footnote on ancestry.com.
The world will move on and you will not. You will rot. So will we all.
And one day the Sun will explode and the great magnificence our species has created shall be snuffed in an instant. We as a race will have, metaphorically and literally, bit it.
So a bit of feel good words written on parchment isn't going to matter. Equal.
Hah. We're equal before we are alive and after.
That's it.
Thanks a lot.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 4:58 am to texashorn
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People (younger, mostly?) believe that the American system guarantees equality of outcomes, instead of the originally intended equality of opportunity.
Most likely due to the talking points mantra of the Socialist Democratic Party of the USA.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 6:20 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Is this a nature vs nurture argument?
Posted on 5/4/15 at 6:37 am to cave canem
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We come into this world with equal opportunity, what we do with that opportunity is up to us.
According to a lot of people, no one has equal opportunity to a white heterosexual male.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:25 am to Cilantro Bodega
quote:
We're all shite. Hunks of sentient carbon on this flying ball of rock and water, hurtling through space at 900 miles per second, through a galaxy that we are an infinitesimally insignificant part of.
Kings whose dynasties ruled for hundreds of years are forgotten today. Relagated to the dustbin of history.
You will die after a terribly brief interval upon this earth, be chucked into the dirt, and forgotten as your loved ones slowly stop bringing flowers to your grave. Eventually, your progeny, if you are lucky enough to have them, will forget where you are buried. Barring being some powerful psychopath who slaughters millions, you will be utterly disremembered except for a possible footnote on ancestry.com.
The world will move on and you will not. You will rot. So will we all.
And one day the Sun will explode and the great magnificence our species has created shall be snuffed in an instant. We as a race will have, metaphorically and literally, bit it.
So a bit of feel good words written on parchment isn't going to matter. Equal.
Hah. We're equal before we are alive and after.
That's it.
Thanks for this. My day is now off to a great start. I might get back in bed.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:34 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Actually, all men are CREATED equal. Its what they do with their lives that makes them unequal.
Free will is a bitch
Free will is a bitch
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 7:36 am
Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:58 am to Cilantro Bodega
quote:
We're all shite. Hunks of sentient carbon on this flying ball of rock and water, hurtling through space at 900 miles per second, through a galaxy that we are an infinitesimally insignificant part of.
Kings whose dynasties ruled for hundreds of years are forgotten today. Relagated to the dustbin of history.
You will die after a terribly brief interval upon this earth, be chucked into the dirt, and forgotten as your loved ones slowly stop bringing flowers to your grave. Eventually, your progeny, if you are lucky enough to have them, will forget where you are buried. Barring being some powerful psychopath who slaughters millions, you will be utterly disremembered except for a possible footnote on ancestry.com.
The world will move on and you will not. You will rot. So will we all.
And one day the Sun will explode and the great magnificence our species has created shall be snuffed in an instant. We as a race will have, metaphorically and literally, bit it.
So a bit of feel good words written on parchment isn't going to matter. Equal.
Hah. We're equal before we are alive and after.
That's it.
You win the internet today.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:08 am to GreatLakesTiger24
We are "created" equally.......we are not equally accomplished.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:09 am to JudgeHolden
quote:This.
If you call yourself Christian,...That would've been about two thousand years ago.
The OP question asks about a belief. They also use quotes to reference to an idea ("created equally"), which I think implies an allowance for some latitude in interpretation of that term.
All that said, I think this belief has become most widely held since the advent of Christianity, as JudgeHolden stated.
The recorded teachings of Jesus posit that we are all loved equally in the eyes of God - so it follows that we are all equal in the eyes of God. For believers, you can't get more equal than that.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:12 am to cave canem
Oh we definitely aren't all equal that's for sure.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:22 am to GreatLakesTiger24
It's not that we aren't created equal is a new thought. It's that "we are all equal" is a new thought. That's some communistic shite that got pushed through and has been like a cancer. This has led to ridiculous jealousy leaking into policy and has had a cancerous effect on society.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:28 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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Why can't we tell kids that doctors don't come from construction workers and waitresses?
What makes or perhaps made America great was anyone could become successful and make society better. It didn't put limits on people based on class, so the kids of those construction workers and waitresses could achieve a dream of becoming a doctor. America is built on the success stories of people from the lower classes rising up and you want to send them a message of stay down where you belong?
Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:55 am to FT
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Well, following that logic, if Jews are so superior, why are they always getting enslaved and holocausted?
Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:00 am to GreatLakesTiger24
yeah, I think the whole "created" equally thing went way over your head.
How are you better or somehow more valuable than anyone else that is trying to do good and is not harming people?
You should probably research where that concept originated to understand where you jumped off the track.
How are you better or somehow more valuable than anyone else that is trying to do good and is not harming people?
You should probably research where that concept originated to understand where you jumped off the track.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:05 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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Why can't we tell kids that doctors don't come from construction workers and waitresses?
Because that would be a lie. But we could certainly tell them where the vast majority come from, and probably should.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:14 am to cave canem
“Up to a point a person’s life is shaped by environment, heredity, and changes in the world about them. Then there comes a time when it lies within their grasp to shape the clay of their life into the sort of thing they wish it to be. Only the weak blame parents, their race, their times, lack of good fortune or the quirks of fate. Everyone has the power to say, "This I am today. That I shall be tomorrow.”
? Louis L'Amour, The Walking Drum
Am currently reading this book and just came across this little gem last night
? Louis L'Amour, The Walking Drum
Am currently reading this book and just came across this little gem last night
Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:39 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Sounds like your measure of greatness is one's job or ability to hold a job. Interesting.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:28 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Being created equal and staying that way are two different things.
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