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When did the idea that we're all "created equally" become a widely held belief?
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:21 pm
First of all, this isn't about race but I'm sure that's what this thread will devolve to.
We all know it's bullshite. I'm certainly "better" or more valuable than some 45 year old who can't hold down a job, and there are a lot of people "better" than me.
Why do we feed our children these lies? This is a big problem in our society imo.
ETA: When did people begin to move away from "equal under law" to simply "equal?" That is what i was trying to ask.
We all know it's bullshite. I'm certainly "better" or more valuable than some 45 year old who can't hold down a job, and there are a lot of people "better" than me.
Why do we feed our children these lies? This is a big problem in our society imo.
ETA: When did people begin to move away from "equal under law" to simply "equal?" That is what i was trying to ask.
This post was edited on 5/3/15 at 11:36 pm
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:22 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:23 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Well you've got enlightenment thinkers like John Locke coming up with stuff like Unalienable Rights and equality of people like 500 years ago or so.
Im sure they weren't the first though
Im sure they weren't the first though
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:24 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:
The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--
This post was edited on 5/3/15 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:24 pm to Peazey
But those words aren't talking about everyone. Remember when they were written.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:25 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:Dumb post is dumb.
First of all, this isn't about race but I'm sure that's what this thread will devolve to.
We all know it's bullshite. I'm certainly "better" or more valuable than some 45 year old who can't hold down a job, and there are a lot of people "better" than me.
Why do we feed our children these lies? This is a big problem in our society imo.
I don't feel like explaining the whole thing, but you can believe that all men are equal and still think some are better or worse. This refers to how people should be treated under the law, not a statement to the worthiness of every person.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:25 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
lol @ OP; thinks "created equally" is talking about the quality of a person. 
This post was edited on 5/3/15 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:27 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:
We all know it's bullshite. I'm certainly "better" or more valuable than some 45 year old who can't hold down a job, and there are a lot of people "better" than me.
To missed the entire part of the phrase that says "created"
Under the context that you are using it Point is that color or creed isn't what makes you "better" than another. It's the basis of democracy
See above for how your definition of the phrase is wrong as well
This post was edited on 5/3/15 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:27 pm to Tiger1242
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John Locke
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:28 pm to Tiger1242
unalienable rights are another thing. i'm not talking about rights.
i'm talking about people who think we're all "equal."
Einstein > random gangbanger. His life is worth more, he's more valuable, they're not equal or the same. They were not "created equally."
i'm talking about people who think we're all "equal."
Einstein > random gangbanger. His life is worth more, he's more valuable, they're not equal or the same. They were not "created equally."
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:28 pm to Jtigers99
quote:
But those words aren't talking about everyone. Remember when they were written.
Those words written in the constitution and the Declaration of Independence were ripped almost word for word from enlightenment thinkers like Locke, Thomas Hobbes, ect...
And those guys WERE talking about everyone
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:28 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Have a down vote and please quit starting threads
This post was edited on 5/3/15 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:29 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:Oh, good. This is going to be one of those threads were the OP sticks around, stubbornly digging the hole.
GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:29 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Reread the Declaration of Independence again.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:29 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:
i'm talking about people who think we're all "equal."
No one truly believes this. If so, they're lying.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:29 pm to FT
quote:
Oh, good. This is going to be one of those threads were the OP sticks around, stubbornly digging the hole.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:29 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:
We all know it's bullshite. I'm certainly "better" or more valuable than some 45 year old who can't hold down a job, and there are a lot of people "better" than me.
Makes sense you're a Mayweather fan.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:30 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
That concept is still up for debate. It was more of a concept for hope.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:35 pm to c on z
this has nothing to do with the declaration of independence
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:35 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:
We all know it's bullshite. I'm certainly "better" or more valuable than some 45 year old who can't hold down a job, and there are a lot of people "better" than me.
Ok I will take a shot at this.
We are all created equally, now that has absolutely zero bearing on you hypo of 45 year olds. what they did for those 45 years is what separates them.
Albert Einstein was "worth" no more than your earlier mentioned gangbanger at birth, what separates them is what they become.
We come into this world with equal opportunity, what we do with that opportunity is up to us.
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