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re: When did the German soldiers of WWII realize they were the 'bad guys'?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:26 pm to prplhze2000
Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:26 pm to prplhze2000
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Keep in mind allies kept food blockade for nine months after Germany surrendered.
Just so that they could maintain leverage during the proceedings.
The fact is that war has innumerable cruelties and the typical soldier is not in charge of the decisions nor is he permitted to question the leadership policies. Particularly in that day and age most had absolutely no knowledge of the bigger picture to even do so. Lest we not forget that most Americans at that time had absolutely no idea what life was like under the Soviet regime and were very much of the belief that the Soviets were a friendly regime, as American wartime propaganda depicted them.
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:27 pm to Ole War Skule
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The mind boggling stupidness in this thread is scary.
German soldiers committed atrocity after atrocity throughout Europe. Same as the Japanese did in China, the Philippines and throughout Asia. They left their homeland to conquer a continent and kill every person who stood in the way of their conquest. These were EVIL people. No different from gangstas on the streets of New Orleans or Hitler himself. Giving the average soldier a 'pass' because he was too young, ignorant, or brainwashed to understand that killing millions of innocent people is wrong puts those giving the 'pass' next in line to commit the same atrocities.
Individuals are responsible for their actions. German (and Japanese) soldiers were as guilty as their dictators. Not holding them responsible invites the history to repeat itself.
50-80 million dead from their actions probably have a different view.
You apologists disgust me.
Not every German soldier was a foaming-at-the-mouth Nazi. You are conflating the brutality of the war in the East with the war in the West.
The Eastern campaign was unbelievably violent and brutal, on a scale never seen before and probably since. The Nazis and the Communists hated each other with a burning passion which most of us probably cannot fathom. I don't think anyone can say clearly who committed the first atrocities, but once it happened, it was game on, to the death.
While the war in the West was violent and certainly no picnic, it pales in comparison to the East.
In general, the soldiers in the West did not commit atrocities (and yes, I'm aware of Malmedy) on the scale of what occurred in the East.
So to say every German soldier was evil is an extremely simplistic view of a complex war.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:29 pm to LongueCarabine
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on a scale never seen before and probably since.
The Mongols, as terrible as Nanking was, could give the Japanese a run for their money. The rivers literally ran black and red during the Siege of Baghdad.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:31 pm to Ole War Skule
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These were EVIL people. No different from gangstas on the streets of New Orleans or Hitler himself.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:31 pm to LongueCarabine
History is fun, everyone can have their own theories and nobody is really wrong. Personally I think the Germans won a world war, experts can't agree on which one, but it's a widely accepted theory.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:32 pm to LucasP
God killed everyone with The Flood.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:33 pm to ThatMakesSense
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God killed everyone with The Flood.
Except he saved a family of jews, like a reverse holocaust.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:37 pm to LucasP
Jewish Karma coming full swing.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:45 pm to LucasP
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Except he saved a family of jews, like a reverse holocaust.
The Lord giveth and the takith
Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:53 pm to LongueCarabine
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While the war in the West was violent and certainly no picnic, it pales in comparison to the East.
Let's also not forget that Hitler, later on in the war, asked us to join his side against the Russians. Would've been very interesting had we taken that offer. That's how much the Germans wanted to win in the east.
Personally, I think that the possibility of us toppling the USSR would've been better for everybody, but obviously they couldn't see into the future.
Well, would've been better for everybody except for the Jews. I can't see us not telling Hitler to cool it with the genocide though.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:08 pm to GetCocky11
quote:Yup, we couldn't get reinforcements into Stalingrad due to the winter.
During the Russian winter in 1941-1942.
Regardless it took being outnumbered 80 to 1 to defeat the machine. Man for man the best military ever.
Hell, America tried to copy everything the Nazi's invented. Hitler's buzzsaw for instance.
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This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:27 pm to TT9
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Hell, America tried to copy everything the Nazi's invented. Hitler's buzzsaw for instance.
Know what the Nazis didn't create? THE frickING ATOM BOMB
Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:28 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Hitler ran the inventors out of Europe. 
Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:35 pm to TT9
Hey, shouldn't have been an idiotic, murdering psychopath.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:38 pm to Undertow
Sorry. Did not read all that comes before the original post and I am sure that someone has pointed out the fact that German soldiers were either killing or witnessing the killing of innocent, unarmed noncombatants {many of whom were Jews) in the East in the late summer and early fall of 1941. Most of those men were Christians and although most had also been indoctrinated with much of Nazi ideaology, a great number were repelled by what they saw. So, in essence and in answer to the original post, many German soldiers realized they were the "bad guys" as early as several months after the invasion of Russia. Then, again, they were just excitable boys.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:42 pm to stelly1025
No...just no! Have you not heard that men and teenaged boys of the CSA gleefully signed up to fight with the sole purpose of perpetuating the institution of slavery? I mean, you act like their were home guards in Southern States whose sole mission was to coerce Southern men to "enlist" under threat of their homes and farms being destroyed if they didn't. You act like 90% of North Georgia mountain men and their State representatives did not vote against secession and didn't even own slaves. You act like they didn't just want to avoid the conflict and that they they were beaten like a dog by Home Guard troops if they didn't report to be mustered into a regiment that they had "enlisted" into a few weeks prior.
You are fake news! They ALL wanted to fight a war to protect and perpetuate a system in which they had no skin in the game. This gibberish about being forced under threat of punishment to fight for the homeland is absurd. Where do you people come up with these ideas? Probably some stupid history books and archived documents that were faked!
You are fake news! They ALL wanted to fight a war to protect and perpetuate a system in which they had no skin in the game. This gibberish about being forced under threat of punishment to fight for the homeland is absurd. Where do you people come up with these ideas? Probably some stupid history books and archived documents that were faked!
Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:49 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Even if they had left Britain alone, there's no way the British would stand by and let the Germans take over its neighbors like France. So war between them was inevitable if Germany wanted to expand in Europe.
If the neither the USA nor USSR get involved in WWII, there is no way the UK alone would have been able to.
The UK was bled white at that point. Remember, the British had transferred a vast amount of military equipment to France which she hoped the USA would replace with Lend-Lease.They sent all of their gold reserves to the USA to pay for the armaments and materials already purchased...they literally had nothing left to buy more. It took the UK until the 21st century to pay off their war loans to the USA.
History might have seen a different type of Cold War, between the UK and a German-dominated European continent.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:49 pm to ZappBrannigan
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Paulus infamously refused to die for the little colonel
Hitler was a corporal in WWI, not a colonel.
His supposed quote upon getting the rank of Field Marshal so he would commit suicide was, "I have no intention of shooting myself for that Bohemian corporal."
Some people think he actually said "I have no intention of shooting myself for that fricking corporal."
Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:53 pm to LongueCarabine
Another note: there were no SS in North Africa and damn few in the Balkans. Jewish persecution in thise areas was almost entirely a Wehrmacht affair.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:13 pm to Master of Sinanju
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The war was incredibly brutal in Eastern Europe.
Yes, every student of WW2 knows how brutal the Russo-German war was, but, I didn't know until recently that BEFORE WW2 in Poland, the ethnic Protestant Germans and the ethnic Catholic Polish were in some places viciously feuding. That feuding in some cases included atrocities and ethnic cleansing, not by military forces but by armed civilians.
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