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re: When did the German soldiers of WWII realize they were the 'bad guys'?
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:29 pm to Cooter Davenport
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:29 pm to Cooter Davenport
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Not JUST that. Hitler fundamentally didn't understand what the United States WAS. He didn't know any Americans, hadn't been there, didn't know anyone who had, didn't know anything about it, and didn't care. He seriously thought of America as just like a quasi-civilized, low-population frontier hinterland where people lived in tents. MAJOR bias colored his thinking. Historians now think he didn't really grasp the amount of material support the US was already providing, much less its ability. So not only did he not think FDR could rally the country to war, he didn't think it would matter. You may think "that's dumb." YEAH. It was.
Yeah, good point. In December 1941 the "Economics Expert" in Germany was Hermann Goering. Goering was in charge of directing the German war economy. Goering was a WW1 fighter pilot and in charge of a Berlin police force after WW1. Goering knew nothing about building a war economy.
Hitler's impressions of the USA came from the novels of Karl May, which were fictional Westerns set in the USA, and from Goering. Goering's opinion of the war economy potential of the USA was taken directly from the USA's economic contribution to World War ONE, which was negligible. Goering assumed that the USA's war economy for WW2 would be like it was in WW1. Hitler believed him.
Both men egregiously ignorant and misinformed about many vital issues.
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:35 pm to Champagne
Goering
Many people, including myself say that much of the blame for Nazi Germany's defeat lay at the feet of that fat egotistical morphine addict.
Many people, including myself say that much of the blame for Nazi Germany's defeat lay at the feet of that fat egotistical morphine addict.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:45 pm to Sticky37
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Not trying to be too nit picky but this is a very common misconception. The Werhmacht was the German military. It included everything, the army, Navy, air Force, and the SS. The regular German army was called the Heer. I know not as cool sounding lol. But truth.
The Wermacht DID include the Heer the Luftwaffe and the Kriegsmarine. It did NOT include the SS.
The Waffen-SS evolved into a second German army alongside the Wehrmacht and operated in tandem with them, especially with the Heer, but was a separate organization answering only to the Party, not the State.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:51 pm to Sticky37
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Many people, including myself say that much of the blame for Nazi Germany's defeat lay at the feet of that fat egotistical morphine addict.
He was a bizarre man. Aside from the opitates. Bizarre and incompetent at just about everything.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 7:58 pm to zatetic
Posted on 7/19/17 at 8:49 pm to zatetic
No don't turn this thread into that. Nazis killed a lot of ppl. We're not going to argue numbers. Don't go there man
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:01 pm to Sticky37
Friend, I'm just trying to show what is out there. Bolsheviks did killed tens of millions across Europe in their revolutions. I have no doubt when the Nazi's dethroned the bolsheviks of their conquered country the citizens there killed the bolsheviks if that is what you mean.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:04 pm to zatetic
Oh boy. A bona fide Holocaust denier.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:24 pm to zatetic
I respect your right to come to that conclusion but posting those are not going to fly here.
Well goodbye thread you were fun while you lasted
Well goodbye thread you were fun while you lasted
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:41 pm to Sticky37
I just want people to do more research. No one will deny that German's were trying to get rid of Jews. It is just there was never a single order given to exterminate anyone. Nuremberg also didn't even require facts for the trial. It was one of the most kangaroo courts ever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials
The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:47 pm to Undertow
Germans were not like they are now. They were warmongerers for years. They were also bitter about their punishments from losing WW1.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 12:30 am to Cooter Davenport
Yep, Goering was not a talented man.
I posted in a thread a while ago that Goering was not even a very good fighter pilot or fighter squadron leader back in World War I.
He's a good example that what really matters is not talent, but, who you know and who you blow.
I posted in a thread a while ago that Goering was not even a very good fighter pilot or fighter squadron leader back in World War I.
He's a good example that what really matters is not talent, but, who you know and who you blow.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 1:21 am to Champagne
If anyone is interested, I read this book a couple years ago written by a German soldier on the Eastern Front. Unbelievable what they went through. Great book.
quote:Amazon
Forgotten Soldier recounts the horror of World War II on the eastern front, as seen through the eyes of a teenaged German soldier. At first an exciting adventure, young Guy Sajer’s war becomes, as the German invasion falters in the icy vastness of the Ukraine, a simple, desperate struggle for survival against cold, hunger, and above all the terrifying Soviet artillery. As a member of the elite Gross Deutschland Division, he fought in all the great battles from Kursk to Kharkov.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 1:47 am to bhtigerfan
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:29 am to Switzerland
Well, it's a nice comedy sketch, but, the Nazis didn't invent the "Skull and Bones" emblem. It was used for centuries before the Nazis and, as we learned in other threads, plenty of Allied units had informal logos that included skulls and bones.
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