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re: When did the German soldiers of WWII realize they were the 'bad guys'?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 7:19 pm to stelly1025
Posted on 7/18/17 at 7:19 pm to stelly1025
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we are not blameless when it comes to WW2 either.
bullshite! Germany is the SOLE party responsible for the war in Europe and all of the death and destruction it brought, including communist Russia by delivering Lenin to Russia to ferment revolution there.
This is not some complicated story in which the villain is not clear. German people, through their nationalist ambition, caused the deaths of tens of millions. No Germany, no WWII.
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 7:21 pm to Ole War Skule
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No Germany, no WWII.
Well, that's just wrong
Posted on 7/18/17 at 7:24 pm to Ole War Skule
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This happened all over Europe. Do you think they were just delivering Brats and beer to hungry and thirsty neighbors when they invaded Poland, France, Belgium, Russia etc?
No, they were just machine gunning women and children the whole time!
Posted on 7/18/17 at 7:25 pm to Ole War Skule
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bullshite! Germany is the SOLE party responsible for the war in Europe and all of the death and destruction it brought, including communist Russia by delivering Lenin to Russia to ferment revolution there.
This is not some complicated story in which the villain is not clear. German people, through their nationalist ambition, caused the deaths of tens of millions. No Germany, no WWII.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 7:25 pm to Vegas Eddie
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No Germany, no WWII.
Well, that's just wrong
Go ahead Einstein, explain how we could have had WWII without Germany invading Poland, Belgium, Russian, and France?
Good grief. Do people not know anything about history anymore?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 7:27 pm to ChewyDante
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No, they were just machine gunning women and children the whole time!
Poland would agree
"German soldiers committed war crimes in Poland from the very outset. One soldier in the 41st infantry division noted, "Polish civilians and soldiers are dragged out everywhere. When we finish our operation, the entire village is on fire. Nobody is left alive, also all the dogs were shot."
Posted on 7/18/17 at 7:29 pm to Ole War Skule
Keep your pants on sally
War was coming back to Europe... the Soviets would have seen to that
War was coming back to Europe... the Soviets would have seen to that
Posted on 7/18/17 at 7:34 pm to Ole War Skule
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Go ahead Einstein, explain how we could have had WWII without Germany invading Poland, Belgium, Russian, and France?
I love how people like you bring up Belgium and France when the invasion of these countries was quite clearly in response to British and French declarations of war upon Germany. Germany was an aggressive state at this time, undoubtedly, but it's hilarious watching people manipulate history to water it down to child-like dichotomies of morality and responsibility.
WWII was fundamentally a result of European power balance struggles. Germany wanted to rise and challenge the status quo and Great Britain and France sought to preserve their favored positions of the status quo.
Funny that Britain offered a war guarantee to Poland in the instance of German aggression yet none for Soviet aggression. Because Germany was the primary geopolitical concern of France and Britain at the time, not the backwards USSR (who btw invaded Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, and Finland all prior to any attack by Germany upon the USSR).
Posted on 7/18/17 at 7:34 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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Yeah, and when they heard that they probably thought "Hell yeah!" They were fricking Nazis dude they hated jews what do you think they thought? WW2 was nothing but nonstop death and depravity you think they gave a flying shite about the concentration camps?
They knew right from wrong. There's a picture that was posted here a few times where German POWs reacted to footage of the concentration camps.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 7/18/17 at 7:43 pm to geaux88
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Probably in January 1943. General Von Paulus BEGGED Hitler to allow his sixth Army to retreat from Stalingrad intact to live to fight another day. Hitler's response was to promote Von Paulus to Field Marshall, stating that a Field Marshall had NEVER before surrendered, and made him stay. The results were disastrous for the German Army. The rank and file of the German Army had to see the insanity of that and realize they were on the wrong side.
David Glantz's most recent book on the War in the East makes it very clear that by January 1943, it would have been impossible for 6 Armee to break out of the pocket and reach the German front lines. 6 Armee hadn't sufficient food, fuel, ammo or physical strength to break out. 6 Armee was starving in their trenches and they would have died or been slaughtered in the snow had they tried to fight their way out.
All that could be done at that point was for 6 Armee to hold out until the last man and last cartridge had been expended. Every day they held out provided one more day for reinforcements to reach the front and stop the Soviet offensive.
Glantz makes it clear that, even had 6 Armee tried to break out in November 1942, they probably would have been slaughtered in the snow by the Soviets before reaching the German lines.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 7/18/17 at 7:43 pm to ChewyDante
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it's hilarious watching people manipulate history to water it down to child-like dichotomies of morality and responsibility.
and what's even funnier is nit wits pretending to be deep thinkers contemplating the complexities of a world they don't begin to understand.
You're not smart because you question established facts. You're an imbecile.
Are you next going to suggest Soviet Russia was forced into enslaving Eastern Europe due to the United States trying to keep them down? You sound like a BLM activist saying thugs are forced to burn down towns cause the white man is trying to keep them down.
Grow up.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 7:49 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Posted on 7/18/17 at 7:51 pm to Ole War Skule
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German soldiers committed war crimes in Poland from the very outset. One soldier in the 41st infantry division noted, "Polish civilians and soldiers are dragged out everywhere. When we finish our operation, the entire village is on fire. Nobody is left alive, also all the dogs were shot."
I don't know if this was one of them but there were specific Reprisals targeted at certain Polish villages. Not many know this but there was a vicious little "Ethnic Cleansing War" going on in Poland before the war. The "combatants" were the ethnic Germans, who were Lutheran, fighting the ethnic Poles where were Catholic. There were incidents of ethnic Poles and Germans killing each other. Apparently they really hated each other.
That story is very sad. Remember that Poland fought for Napoleon's France against both the Russians and the German speaking peoples. That hate between ethnic Germans and Poles was deep and went back for generations.
During this time when Poland was independent before WW2, both Poles and Germans committed atrocities against each other -- their very neighbors! It's sickening to contemplate.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 7/18/17 at 7:53 pm to Ole War Skule
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and what's even funnier is nit wits pretending to be deep thinkers contemplating the complexities of a world they don't begin to understand.
Not a substantive reply.
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You're not smart because you question established facts. You're an imbecile.
Not a substantive reply.
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Are you next going to suggest Soviet Russia was forced into enslaving Eastern Europe due to the United States trying to keep them down? You sound like a BLM activist saying thugs are forced to burn down towns cause the white man is trying to keep them down.
Wut?
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Grow up.
Oh the irony here.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 7:54 pm to Champagne
The war was incredibly brutal in Eastern Europe.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:07 pm to geaux88
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LOL. You are weak and pathetic in your attempt to pigeon hole me into one your little millennial SJW safe space friendly boxes that fit into your fundamental lack of historical knowledge of history.
I may be an idiot, but I'll go ahead and bet on myself against you when it comes to morals, values, education level, places travelled and number of passport/visa stamps, foreign languages spoken (ironically I speak German, even though I'm Irish), and contributions to this republic.
Try again, little sniveling snowflake. Take your gender studies degree with 120K of student loan debt and get your dream job as a 9 dollar an hour barista at Starbucks (because that's all it is good for)..... go ahead and pontificate with the awesome fire of your searing razor sharp intellect.
When you actually have the ability to get out of your little bubble and pull the cock of whatever liberal deranged "professor" that "taught" you your non-truthful take on the way the world is, and you grow up enough to burp up his baby batter pablum that he shot down your throat to form you into a mindless SJW zombie, get back to me with a cogent argument. Maybe then I can sit down with you and start teaching you the good, bad, and ugly of REAL history.
Good lord
This reads like a fricking Trumpkin mad gab
Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:08 pm to Ole War Skule
All he said was Versailles created the conditions for nazis to come to power. Even French generals predicted another war thanks to treaty's terms. Keep in mind allies kept food blockade for nine months after Germany surrendered. Hundreds of thousands of Germans starved to death. Literally. Add [o that the depression and French invasion of ruhr. They were ready for a messiah. Plus the Nazis and Ludendorff promoted the backstabbed theory with much success.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:16 pm to Champagne
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During this time when Poland was independent before WW2, both Poles and Germans committed atrocities against each other -- their very neighbors! It's sickening to contemplate.
Polish and German enmity went back a very long time. Like medieval times. In the modern era, things ratcheted up with the partition of Poland which erased the Polish state from the map until the Paris Peace Treaty in 1919 restored her just a bit further to the West and with some historically German lands and population to boot. Poland was a fervently nationalistic state herself and is often given a very favorable portrayal in this time period thanks in part to being the first and one of the worst victims of Nazi aggression. The Poles were NOT democratic and were pretty damn anti-Semitic themselves.
There were many in British foreign policy circles who felt giving the Poles the war guarantee was a bad idea since it encouraged them to be obstinate in negotiations with Germany and effectively tied Britain's fate to that of a Poland ruled by a military junta.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:20 pm to ChewyDante
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it's hilarious watching people manipulate history to water it down to child-like dichotomies of morality and responsibility.
This is how baby boomers view not just history but the entire world.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:24 pm to Ole War Skule
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No Germany, no WWII.
What about WWI?......or we just gonna overlook that minor detail?
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