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re: What is Healthcare's future?

Posted on 8/5/16 at 1:27 pm to
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
22774 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 1:27 pm to
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What is Healthcare's future?


A "Medicaid for all" public option where the primary care will be provided by masses of mid-levels or foreign medical graduates. The specialty care will be significantly rationed and wait times for care heavily increased. Large public and public/private health systems , with networks of local clinics, will provide that care at a discounted rate in exchange for the economies of scale from these "public" patients.

"Private Insurance" will be primarily catastrophic in nature, with the first $2000-$6000 of paid money always coming from the insured. Networks will be extremely restricted, and will likely include many of the same health systems as above, but with larger for-profit hospitals participating as well. Think Methodist, Memorial Hermann, CHI, etc.... I think there will always be contracts between these guys and whatever private insurers survive the implementation of a public option, which may be as few as 2, IMO. But people with this insurance will always have to stay within their system. Choose whatever physician you want, but only within this tight network. And the premiums will still be high for this coverage, similar to what we've had the past 5 years, and what we have coming in the next 5 years.

Any physician group with <5 docs will (have to) become concierge based. Come see us, and I'll arrange your bloodwork, imaging, treatment, medications, etc... I can do anything in house except hospitalization, so most concierge patients will likely hold a catastrophic insurance policy of some sort. There is already a growing market for this, and it will only become bigger in the next 5 years.

Private docs still holding out will eventually sell to a health system or change business models. There will be a few "favored" health systems that end up with the public option contracts. And your Methodists of the world will still do well with tighter contracts and administering their own insurance to their employees and subsidiaries.

IMO.
This post was edited on 8/5/16 at 1:29 pm
Posted by shamrock
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
3620 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 1:27 pm to
Dude..you ever use EMR? Are you a doctor using it or someone designing a program?
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21400 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 1:28 pm to
employers in the healthcare sector share some of the blame for those costs too..........FIFY

all hospitals have statistics that compare them to other like hospitals. they choose to ignore them and go with bad practices.

LSU - Conway is an example of this.......total waste
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32414 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 1:28 pm to
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No we don't.


He may be referring to medical mistakes, which still occur more frequently than they should.
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4743 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 1:28 pm to
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I read somewhere that if everyone signed a DNR, that would cut medical costs by a third. Its not an easy desicison, but its necessary..


Define "everyone"....
Posted by fatboydave
Fat boy land
Member since Aug 2004
17979 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 1:29 pm to
HiLIARy will fix it so we can keep our doctor if we like our doctor. AND we will see a reduction in healthcare premiums.

It will go to shite and we will all die. The End!
Posted by jennBN
Member since Jun 2010
3148 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 1:34 pm to
True. However wages and reimbursement is not the bulk of the costs. There is not enough savings to be had by cutting those even in half. There are studies that prove that. To incur significant savings major changes would be needed and quite frankly, Americans are not ready for that. It would require a modicum of personal responsibility and the allocation of resources to be efficient. We want our HTN meds-not to exercise. We want antibiotics for that viral cold and we want granny to stay in ICU for a month after her stroke and wither away with a trach in an LTAC/SNF for another year until she dies of pneumonia.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26977 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 1:34 pm to
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No one knows where it ends, but you just described the next step - a split system. One system will be for those with means and one for those without, just like Private Schools, Stadium Club Seats, VIP Tours of Disney, First Class seats, etc. Everyone gets access to the basic services, but some people pay for premium service.


What do services cost? Nobody can answer that. If cost were not so convoluted, there could be competition.

I feel there should be a gubment plan with a supplement option. Or just straight cash options.

Cash options are already here for diagnostics. I mentioned my lithotripsy. Well of course I needed a CT to see the stone. Insurance cost $800 out of pocket and then the 20% left in my 80/20 plan.

"I know a guy". He hooks me up with an outpatient radiology center. TOTAL COST $350!!!??

This is the problem. $350 is what the study should cost. The place makes money, techs are happy, Rads made money on the read, and I'm only out $350. Not chump change but definitely manageable. My point is that this is rampant in health care. Does a stone protocol CT cost $350 or $2300? Which is it?
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 1:38 pm to
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Dude..you ever use EMR? Are you a doctor using it or someone designing a program?


My bad, I meant EHRs. A shared database could save all of us an insane amount of time and effort and eliminate a lot of mistakes. There's no reason a patient should be expected to recite their entire medical history every time they go see a doctor. It's just begging for omissions and seems dangerous.
Posted by jennBN
Member since Jun 2010
3148 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 1:40 pm to
Ahhh....you are talking about a national database. EMR and EHR are used interchangably. I don't think a national database will EVER happen.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
113938 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 1:40 pm to
I asked the online magic 8 ball and it said "my reply is no"
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4743 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 1:40 pm to
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"I know a guy". He hooks me up



quote:

Does a stone protocol CT cost $350 or $2300? Which is it?


I "know a guy" who can get me a 75" flat screen for $350 too....but it actually costs $2300.

So you tell us. How much does it cost? Do you have to "know a guy" and get a hook up?
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 1:43 pm to
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Ahhh....you are talking about a national database. EMR and EHR are used interchangably. I


Yeah I googled, and I'm not ashamed of that. This is not my area of expertise. But you figured out what I was rambling about, gracias
Posted by jennBN
Member since Jun 2010
3148 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 1:45 pm to
The software is all proprietary. They intentionally keep hospitals from communicating. Total bullshite. We need a national database but it would seriously require us to socialize medicine....
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 1:51 pm to
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We need a national database but it would seriously require us to socialize medicine....


I don't know about that, the free market could give pretty good incentive to share data. If hospitals and insurance companies realized how many man-hours are wasted re entering data, they could be motivated to create a national database. Or they might petition the government to do it, either way it could be done with a free market.


Honestly I don't give a shite either way, socialize it or open the market, but this current crony system is unsustainable.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
128950 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 1:56 pm to
I have no clue on the future of healthcare.



As a nurse though....the future looks pretty bleak for nursing in general imo. When I see nursing students on our floor looking all shiny and happy in their crisp student scrubs I want to pull them aside and tell them "RUN". As soon as I can find a non bedside nursing position at my hospital system (so I can still keep my pension that my hospital offers)...I'm leaving the bedside likely for good. I'm sick of all that bullshite that bedside nurses in the hospital have to deal with nowadays.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84764 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 2:07 pm to
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No we don't.


Yes, you do. You're not doing anything wrong, but you are a share of those costs. They could be worth every penny, but $400k+ to specialists is still going to impact healthcare costs.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
128950 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 2:08 pm to
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Epic Cajun


Don't even get me started on EPIC.


Epic failure is more like it. We have to scan our meds at the bedside because it is supposed to decrease the chance of medication errors. Sounds great in theory...but when EPIC won't pop up on the computer or it takes 15 minutes for the system to boot up while you have a 5 year old little girl crying in pain after surgery...wtf are you supposed to do? Me, cause my patient comes first...I'm just gonna give the med without scanning it and save the vial and scan it later. How would you feel if it was your little girl crying in pain and the nurse is too busy fumbling with a computer to give your baby pain meds right away?


On our unit right now we maybe have 3 computers that will load up right away so you can scan meds. The rest of them in the patient rooms either won't load up or take 15 minutes each time you want to access them. IT is fully aware of it...yet doesn't seem to be phased by it. This problem has been an issue for us for like 2 weeks now. They say it's because we have older versions of EPIC on our computers. Well fricking update them then.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32414 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 2:31 pm to
Sounds like an operations issue, not a software issue. If your operations cared about your patients they'd update their software.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
128950 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 2:40 pm to
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Sounds like an operations issue, not a software issue. If your operations cared about your patients they'd update their software.



Agreed, I'm just venting cause I'm sick of dealing with it the past few weeks. We are already overworked now cause they make us take more patients and won't let us have nursing assistants when we have low census(because they are more concerned with saving money than safe patient care). Running around trying to find a computer that works to give all my meds only adds to my workload and stress levels. Every night I go to work I hear the same crap "IT and administration are aware of it, guess they will fix it one day". Guess administration won't care about it until a family sues them over a medication error that can be tied into not being able to scan a med properly. I've seen first hand that hospital administrators don't give a flying frick over the actual patients and employees....it's only a numbers and money game to them.
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