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re: The ADHD Fallacy: It’s Time To Stop Treating Childhood as a Disease
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:00 pm to The First Cut
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:00 pm to The First Cut
No ADHD for me. I am over 40. I probably should be on meds for ADD. The cost keeps me away. The best description I have read concerning how I feel is like have a soft rain of postage notes falling down on your head and trying to do the task written on them before they hit the ground. Maybe that is why TD and reddit are like crack for my mind.
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Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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depressed people have a biological defect but they can be trained to deal with their issues
the #1 thing is explaining what depression is, chemically, which allows people who are depressed to identify it
there are also option that aren't medication...#1 being exercise and #2 being diet
there are extreme cases, but that is rare
There's been a lot of research in the last 10 years and the medical community is slowly abandoning the chemical imbalance/ serotonin theory of depression. They are looking at NMDA, BDNF, genetic/biological factors and various causes of inflammation.
I would imagine in the next 20-30 years, they will better understand how all the different systems within the brain interact and have a more unified theory to explain most cognitive issues.
I 100% agree with you on diet and exercise.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:04 pm to jimmy the leg
I am over 40 too. Age has nothing to do with it. The leading research says that toddlers who watch fast moving scenes have attention deficit disorder. I'm not making this up, only reporting the leading scientific research.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:33 pm to The First Cut
I find that my toddler is alot less "ADHD" when he gets to play alot instead of being forced to conform to the sedentary expectations of fat sloppy adults.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:44 pm to Huey Lewis
Agreed. Parents don't want to be parents anymore, then blame the results on external factors.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 10:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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likely means he is being given the wrong reinforcements or lack of punishment
or he's psychotic and needs to be institutionalized
The majority of what you have posted is just bad advice. First, the vast majority of people with psychosis are not 'institutionalized.' Second, and more to your basic point, behavioral strategies are an effective strategy for a lot of disorders. They can definitely help kids with ADHD make progress. But they are not the first line of treatment for these disorders and certainly are not the method to be used in all cases (which you seem to be suggesting). ADHD is not about simply treating kids who can't sit still. The majority of cases are inattentive (i.e., not behavioral problems) or some combination of hyperactive and inattentive.
The 'cheat code' comment; I'm not really sure how letting everyone take stimulants has anything to do with ADHD treatment.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 10:23 pm to VanCleef
Posted on 4/24/15 at 10:24 pm to The First Cut
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It is a disorder, largely believed to be caused by toddlers sitting in front of Disney movies with fast moving images creating a short attention span. Be parents and stop parking kids in front of the TV.
See so many families out eating with kids walking through the door with tablets and headphones watching movies or shows the whole time. Parents on their smartphones the whole time. They would probably text in their order if they could
Posted on 4/24/15 at 10:47 pm to Kay
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I never believed in it, but as a teacher I see it now. Kids cannot control their behavior. The way I could sit in a desk and do as told for hours on end, some cannot. Over diagnosed? Sure. Fabricated disease? Nah.
I sat through 12 years of pubic school from 1960-72 with 30-35 other students in each class, we were expected to sit still and be quiet, it was very rare to have a student that did not control their behavior. Most people from the same era remember it the same way, what has caused the drastic change of behavior in todays kids?
Posted on 4/24/15 at 11:45 pm to rompus
Congratulations sounds like your son has some good parents. I know your proud.
I know your proud.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 12:24 am to VanCleef
I've seen this lady has come up numerous time, and while she brings up someone is points, I can't get past her dumb logic related to France and ADHD diagnosis. She essentially admits that France doesn't have the prototypical diagnosis (could be good or bad) then uses their lack of the diagnosis as something meaningful about ADHD-behaviors themselves. That is circular reasoning.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 12:30 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You're partially right and partially wrong. All behaviors can be improved through operant conditioning, but even then, there are individuals with ADHD that have difficulty functioning. Even some of the most prominent behaviorists have come around to the benefit of medication for the more severe cases.
likely means he is being given the wrong reinforcements or lack of punishment
Posted on 4/25/15 at 2:14 am to sicboy
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Maybe we can jump the gun on diagnosis, but it's very real. We're fairly certain our daughter has it.
No, that's called excuses for drugs.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 3:52 am to Taurus
Idk if I have ADHD. My mom always thought I did but didn't want me on meds. I started really needing some help when I got out of college and got a job. I started concerta 2 years ago and I became an amazing employee overnight. I'm not a doctor so I don't know exactly what constitutes ADHD but I know the meds help me achieve my goals better than I ever thought possible.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 5:46 am to beaverfever
It's speed. It will help anyone, regardless if you have adhd or not.
The reason some people resent the adhd diagnosis as the disease du jour, is because anyone can go to their doctor describing those symptoms and get on that medicine. They view that medicine as something that lets them "cheat" in school and life, rather than use self discipline that the rigors of school or work requires.
The reason some people resent the adhd diagnosis as the disease du jour, is because anyone can go to their doctor describing those symptoms and get on that medicine. They view that medicine as something that lets them "cheat" in school and life, rather than use self discipline that the rigors of school or work requires.
This post was edited on 4/25/15 at 5:49 am
Posted on 4/25/15 at 7:16 am to VanCleef
I wonder if things would change if these kids weren't allowed to drink Mountain Dew, Red Bull, and energy drinks like they are water? They go to school with one in their hand.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 7:18 am to VanCleef
ADHD is the adult version of "hyper". As a middle schooler I would cringe when another kid would describe themselves as hyper. It felt like they were justifying their silly behavior by placing blame on an uncontrollable condition. Same thing with these adults and children.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 7:21 am to sicboy
There are ways to deal with what's going on in your mind, you just have to try. I had a hard time studying in college, mainly because I never had to before but also because I've always been hyper as frick. It was hard to even sit down long enough to study.
I graduated LSU in physics and 100% because I worked with what I had. I forced myself to stay in the physics building ALL NIGHT, twice a week for many semesters. I sat in the conference room and worked my problems on different mediums. I'd do two problems in my notebook, then do them both on the chalk board, then take a break...or I'd work out every problem on the chalk board then try to recreate them in my notebook without looking up. I'd walk around, I'd go into different rooms and jot down things on the board I wanted to remember...
Really, it comes down to staring failure in the face and deciding what kind of person you want to be. If your brain is a bit tweaked, use it. With hyperactivity comes hyper focus, and I don't believe if I medicated one away I would have kept the other. I HAD to have the hyper focus, that's all I know.
I graduated LSU in physics and 100% because I worked with what I had. I forced myself to stay in the physics building ALL NIGHT, twice a week for many semesters. I sat in the conference room and worked my problems on different mediums. I'd do two problems in my notebook, then do them both on the chalk board, then take a break...or I'd work out every problem on the chalk board then try to recreate them in my notebook without looking up. I'd walk around, I'd go into different rooms and jot down things on the board I wanted to remember...
Really, it comes down to staring failure in the face and deciding what kind of person you want to be. If your brain is a bit tweaked, use it. With hyperactivity comes hyper focus, and I don't believe if I medicated one away I would have kept the other. I HAD to have the hyper focus, that's all I know.
This post was edited on 4/25/15 at 7:25 am
Posted on 4/25/15 at 7:24 am to The Baker
Is it/can it be a real condition? Absolutely.
However, in a lot (and I would say large majority) of cases it is simply typical adolescent behavior. Why do you think the overwhelming majority of cases are young males? Also, it is primarily driven by educators, who as noted, are just trying to bring "order" to their class (remember, their tools for controlling the little snowflakes is far more limited than it used to be).
Of course, the fact than an ADD/ADHD diagnosis and treatment is a sure fire way to get SSI has nothing to do with the explosion of diagnoses.
However, in a lot (and I would say large majority) of cases it is simply typical adolescent behavior. Why do you think the overwhelming majority of cases are young males? Also, it is primarily driven by educators, who as noted, are just trying to bring "order" to their class (remember, their tools for controlling the little snowflakes is far more limited than it used to be).
Of course, the fact than an ADD/ADHD diagnosis and treatment is a sure fire way to get SSI has nothing to do with the explosion of diagnoses.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 7:25 am to real
If you have ever met a true case of ADHD you would see why they benefit from drugs once they get on therapy and can actually keep their train of thought for more than a few minutes.
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