This has little to do with my point. Just because stimulants are abused during finals week (which many people are aware) does not make them a magic potion that creates academic success--as you argued. Again, you are vastly overstating the effect of speed on academic performance.

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it's a great substitute for actual parenting. plus you're creating the incentive, and the parents see this. they see kid-x go from a C to A student with the meds and know their kid can go from B to A. if they don't get their kid on meds, then kid-x, with speed, will be an A student while their kid remains a B student. so you HAVE to get them on meds to keep up.

hence the "cheat code" comments i made initially in this thread. the system is unworkable unless everyone is given the access

To be clear, you are arguing that all/most kids on ADHD medication have parents who are not concerned with their well being, but are instead concerned with them having this magical academic advantage that the medications provide?

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that's rich in a thread where you're promoting using that very same medication on ADD students. their health isn't as important?

Again, you oversimplify the problem and statements made in this thread.

I don't think your understanding of ADHD is as good as you think it is. You continually make blanket statements that have little to no factual basis, make tangential arguments that have little to do with the disorder, and seem to think that your personal experiences- with ADHD or observations you have made regarding stimulants- should be taken as evidence for how to handle the disorder. They shouldn't be. There is a lot of data out there that outweighs your observations.

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Posted by Monk

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Posted on 4/25/15 at 12:03 pm to Azazello

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No freaking way would I give that stuff to a small kid with a developing brain.

Yes there is. You are just too young, blessed or lucky to know that yet. All you need is to have a special needs child one day to understand how parents sometimes make these decisions.

It hard to understand a lot of things until you find yourself in that specific scenario.

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Posted by Murray

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Posted on 4/25/15 at 1:59 pm to Monk

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Monk

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It hard to understand a lot of things until you find yourself in that specific scenario.

It's damn near impossible. Especially with special needs children with brain disorders.

To those of you with your generalizations, absolutes and judgments, I know deep down that you mean well. Everyone is scared of the unknown. You feel for these kids and you want to fix the problem and you want it fixed now. Not knowing what to do makes you angry. But not knowing what to do doesn't stop many from throwing out solutions anyway. It's what we do. There's a problem. Here's a solution. At the end of the day, it can't be that hard right? Unfortunately its not that simple sometimes when it comes to the brain.

"My kids get straight A's so just do what I do!", "When I acted up, I got mah arse whipped and that straightened me out!", "Get your kids out of the house and out from in front of the tv!", "If I even look at my kid wrong, they clean their room"

Fact is, if you have a well behaved or even an averagely behaved child, you're a very lucky parent. Lucky. You may even be a good parent too but most of you give yourselves way too much credit. You're benefiting from way more luck than anything else. We all get different types of kids and they're all awesome in different ways and some come with very complicated challenges, that have nothing to do with the parent(other than genetics) and most kids have average challenges that can be managed with a little work.

There are bad parents. There are adults on medication that shouldn't be. There are even kids on medication that shouldn't be. Slow has very good points. It doesn't work with all brain disorders or combinations there of, but hard work and consistent parenting and structure can solve issues for many children before medication is needed.

That being said, any of you that generalize to the degree that many of you do are doing yourselves a great disservice by discrediting yourself and getting put on the pay no mind list right off the bat when you could be a part of constructive debate where you may actually learn something. Open your minds people.

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Posted by cooLStorybreaUx

Member since Aug 2014

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Posted on 4/25/15 at 2:31 pm to VanCleef

The individual who wrote this article is obviously ignorant to the actual causes and effects of ADHD. I was diagnosed with ADHD in 1990 by doctors at LSU. I was examined several times a month for years, and given medication as well as counseling. ADHD is a chemical imbalance that is absolutely impossible to correct without medication, that is a FACT. Imagine having non-stop energy and anxiety, and being strapped to a chair. Drink 3 Red Bulls and do nothing... It would be painful. An unmedicated child with ADHD is in more pain than one on medication, I have personal experience. I never watched tv or got spoiled, I played outside and played sports. It's not a conspiracy.

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Posted by EA6B

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Posted on 4/25/15 at 3:19 pm to SlowFlowPro

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Funny because I was going to write above how you seem to see speed as a magic potion for academics. I think you vastly overstate the effect of speed on academic performance.

go hang around college campuses during finals and try to tell me this bullshite

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Or they can read this TD thread on the use of Adderall by medical students. The medical and dental school students posted that 70-100% of their class were taking the drug to improve academic performance

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