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re: The ADHD Fallacy: It’s Time To Stop Treating Childhood as a Disease
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:28 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:28 pm to BluegrassBelle
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because there was a point and time it wasn't really diagnosed.
Point in time.
Time for you to take your meds.
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Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:30 pm to VanCleef
I have no problem giving it to older kids but highly medicating kindergartners is dangerous imo. All kids that age are hyper and pumping them full of drugs because the can't "sit still" is crazy.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:31 pm to sicboy
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Except.....not science.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:32 pm to VanCleef
My Niece has just recently started my 8 yer old Great-Nephew on some ADHD Med.
I don't know how to feel about it.I hate the thought of them forcing him to take a pill every morning.
I don't know how to feel about it.I hate the thought of them forcing him to take a pill every morning.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:35 pm to Azazello
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I have no problem giving it to older kids but highly medicating kindergartners is dangerous imo
I agree with this. Those drugs are freaking powerful. I don't know how anyone that has taken Adderall themselves wouldn't think twice about giving it to their young child. At least exhaust all other possibilities first.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:42 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Self control. If your kid "can't sit down long enough" to pay attention in class, then he needs better parenting/self control.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:45 pm to supadave3
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supadave3
There is no doubt that it helps you concentrate. I took it in college and it seriously helped me study and end up with great grades.
No freaking way would I give that stuff to a small kid with a developing brain.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:45 pm to VanCleef
What frustrates me is that people think it's cute to claim to have ADHD like it's a joke. "Oh, you have ADHD? Me too! I talk a lot and move around a lot!" It's bullshite. If you think that's what ADHD is, you have no clue what someone who truly has ADHD goes through. Imagine sitting down at your desk and trying to work on something, and no matter how well you know the topic, you just can't think clearly or focus long enough to put your thoughts together. It's an absolutely terrible feeling.
I agree that people are being diagnosed WAY too much, but I don't think it's the fault of doctors. I think college students and parents who want their kids to "calm down" come in and play the game to get what they want. It's bullshite that someone can claim to have such terrible ADHD all through college, but the second they're done, they can suddenly function just fine without it. That's not how it works. If someone who truly needs the medicine doesn't take it, it's absolutely night and day for them, and anyone who knows them well will be able to tell you when they are and aren't on their medicine. It's comes in waves of varying degrees. Some days it's far worse than others. There are also several different types of ADHD with their own traits.
I'm not sitting here acting like ADHD is the worst possible thing to suffer from. It's just very misunderstood. Before being diagnosed, my mom, a nurse, said it was bullshite and that there's no way I could have it because I liked to read and did insanely well on tests my entire life until college. She assumed I must be slacking and drinking too much or something, and I was using it as an excuse. After both a psychologist and a doctor both diagnosed me with severe ADHD, she finally accepted it as a possibility. I went from barely scraping by to crushing it. It was like a switch was flipped, and honestly, I wouldn't have successfully majored in Computer Science if I hadn't been diagnosed. When I'm not treating it, everyone around me can tell I'm struggling to put thoughts together.
I absolutely agree that we should stop just diagnosing everyone who wants a script of Adderall for themselves or their kids with ADHD. I just think people also need to remember that ADHD is a completely real thing and not a joke. Just because it's overdiagnosed doesn't mean that it's not something that some people struggle with daily.
I agree that people are being diagnosed WAY too much, but I don't think it's the fault of doctors. I think college students and parents who want their kids to "calm down" come in and play the game to get what they want. It's bullshite that someone can claim to have such terrible ADHD all through college, but the second they're done, they can suddenly function just fine without it. That's not how it works. If someone who truly needs the medicine doesn't take it, it's absolutely night and day for them, and anyone who knows them well will be able to tell you when they are and aren't on their medicine. It's comes in waves of varying degrees. Some days it's far worse than others. There are also several different types of ADHD with their own traits.
I'm not sitting here acting like ADHD is the worst possible thing to suffer from. It's just very misunderstood. Before being diagnosed, my mom, a nurse, said it was bullshite and that there's no way I could have it because I liked to read and did insanely well on tests my entire life until college. She assumed I must be slacking and drinking too much or something, and I was using it as an excuse. After both a psychologist and a doctor both diagnosed me with severe ADHD, she finally accepted it as a possibility. I went from barely scraping by to crushing it. It was like a switch was flipped, and honestly, I wouldn't have successfully majored in Computer Science if I hadn't been diagnosed. When I'm not treating it, everyone around me can tell I'm struggling to put thoughts together.
I absolutely agree that we should stop just diagnosing everyone who wants a script of Adderall for themselves or their kids with ADHD. I just think people also need to remember that ADHD is a completely real thing and not a joke. Just because it's overdiagnosed doesn't mean that it's not something that some people struggle with daily.
This post was edited on 4/24/15 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:46 pm to VanCleef
Years ago after waiting almost an hour in the exam room waiting for the pediatrician, my 3 year old son was checking out everything. He continued being busy while the pediatrician was present. At the end of the visit the doc commented on how active my son was and said if I needed something for that to let them know. All I could think at the time was WTF!
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:46 pm to JackTheStripper
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Self control. If your kid "can't sit down long enough" to pay attention in class, then he needs better parenting/self control.
I toured a school in Okinawa for a project while I was stationed there. All of the kids sat in their chairs, completely still, and were extremely respectful to the teachers.
No fancy stuff on the walls, no out of control kids, nothing. They were 3-5 year olds. The teachers said that they learn how to sit in the chairs and be still before they even start learning material.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:47 pm to JackTheStripper
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If your kid "can't sit down long enough" to pay attention in class, then he needs better parenting/self control.
Or some kids legitimately cannot help it.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:48 pm to JackTheStripper
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Self control. If your kid "can't sit down long enough" to pay attention in class, then he needs better parenting/self control.
That'd be fine if that's what ADHD actually was. It's not. There's a difference between a hyper and playful child and a child with ADHD.
This post was edited on 4/24/15 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:48 pm to Azazello
But but but what about the ones that just CANT sit there quietly?!?
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:49 pm to BluegrassBelle
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But it's naive to think there aren't kids with ADD/ADHD just because there was a point and time it wasn't really diagnosed.
here is the thing
no disorder existed until the group of characteristics were grouped and given a name
the problem with ADD/ADHD is those who are diagnosed are basically given a cheat code for school. speed helps almost EVERYONE perform better
it's bullshite that they're allowed to cheat and it's denied to the other kids
also, ADD is being over diagnosed in part to de-masculinize males.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:49 pm to Dijkstra
Explain the difference. Because others have lumped it all together.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:51 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Or some kids legitimately cannot help it.
all humans can be trained to sit still. it just requires the right positive reinforcement and punishment
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:52 pm to Azazello
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No freaking way would I give that stuff to a small kid with a developing brain.
agreed. We were told our son needed to be on meds, but we refused to do it. He's doing just fine now.
Another major concern is how addicting these meds can be. I knew guys that couldn't function anymore without the meds. Even worse, a couple ended up switching to meth.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
If your kid keeps hitting other kids at school, can he just not help it? Is that what your response to his teacher would be?
Not directed to you, SFP.
Not directed to you, SFP.
This post was edited on 4/24/15 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:53 pm to RLDSC FAN
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I knew guys that couldn't function anymore without the meds
it's great to see the OT when areas run low on adderall. you'll see the "drug addict" emerge
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:53 pm to JackTheStripper
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Self control. If your kid "can't sit down long enough" to pay attention in class, then he needs better parenting/self control.
A-MEN.
Some people are so hard headed. All human brains work exactly the same and its time for all the bad parents and "Doctors" to face reality.
It's so simple. If your child behaves differently than others, you beat him with a hand, belt and/or stick, take away all privileges and most importantly of all, yell at him frequently.
Never make the mistake seeking "professional" help. Talk to other average joes like us. If you really luck up, you'll find a twentysomething, single male that's never had children or any medical training. Soak in every word they say and thank them for their time everyday.
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