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re: Our tort law system is the worst aspect of America, a cancer on our society.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 9:02 pm to WaltTeevens
Posted on 8/5/17 at 9:02 pm to WaltTeevens
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Based on your posts, one would think every Plaintiff's lawyer puts his name on a billboard. Most of us don't. In fact, over 90% of us don't, but you act as if everybody who practices tort law acts like the buffoons who put their faces on billboards.
Most of us don't take every case that comes to us where someone is hurt. Most of us don't take cases where the person's injuries and suffering aren't documented and verified by medical records or wage statements.
I don't apologize for suing someone because my client has actual and verifiable injuries and the insurance companies pre-suit settlement offer doesn't even pay my client's medical bills.
People who are actually injured by negligent or reckless conduct shouldn't be denied compensation simply because it's bad for business. Human beings should matter more than profit.
I understand your frustration though. Mine stems from dealing with arseholes all day, from clients to adjusters to lawyers. We can be civil to each other and disagree.
6 cucks downvoted this. How? Theres absolutely nothing controversial about this statement. Its actually quite level... but then again idiots everywhere I suppose.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 9:06 pm to SCLibertarian
All of the Commonwealth countries are loser pay and the citizens seem perfectly fine.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 9:10 pm to WaltTeevens
Libertarians are perfect for criminal defense law, as we get to fight the state at every turn.
As for civil suits, much of tort law exists outside of the modern administrative state. Our tort law is based on English Common Law. From the signing of the Magna Carta in the 13th century up to the Victorian Era, there weren't written or codified laws governing civil disputes. What you had was an amalgamation of decisions made by juries of landed peers and court decisions, either by local magistrates or higher courts.
Theoretically, the common law exists to police civil disputes between citizens to prevent legislatures or executives from drafting law after law to prevent or prohibit certain activities outright. This in turn actually limits the role of government in people's daily lives.
As for civil suits, much of tort law exists outside of the modern administrative state. Our tort law is based on English Common Law. From the signing of the Magna Carta in the 13th century up to the Victorian Era, there weren't written or codified laws governing civil disputes. What you had was an amalgamation of decisions made by juries of landed peers and court decisions, either by local magistrates or higher courts.
Theoretically, the common law exists to police civil disputes between citizens to prevent legislatures or executives from drafting law after law to prevent or prohibit certain activities outright. This in turn actually limits the role of government in people's daily lives.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 9:14 pm to Slippy
Oh cool. Corporations should be allowed to frick people's lives up
with no repurcussions. Sounds awesome. Idiot
with no repurcussions. Sounds awesome. Idiot
Posted on 8/5/17 at 10:18 pm to SCLibertarian
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Our tort law is based on English Common Law.
Not ours. La. Civil Code Article 2315
My Gam Gam won our family fortune after bleeding to death from a paper cut. The package of notebook paper didn't have a warning label. She didn't know that she was a hemophiliac until the negligence of the Paper Company killed her. It was horrible.
Art. 2315. Liability for acts causing damages
A. Every act whatever of man that causes damage to another obliges him by whose fault it happened to repair it.
B. Damages may include loss of consortium, service, and society, and shall be recoverable by the same respective categories of persons who would have had a cause of action for wrongful death of an injured person. Damages do not include costs for future medical treatment, services, surveillance, or procedures of any kind unless such treatment, services, surveillance, or procedures are directly related to a manifest physical or mental injury or disease. Damages shall include any sales taxes paid by the owner on the repair or replacement of the property damaged.
Amended by Acts 1884, No. 71; Acts 1908, No. 120, §1; Acts 1918, No. 159, §1; Acts 1932, No. 159, §1; Acts 1948, No. 333, §1; Acts 1960, No. 30, §1; Acts 1982, No. 202, §1; Acts 1984, No. 397, §1; Acts 1986, No. 211, §1; Acts 1999, No. 989, §1, eff. July 9, 1999; Acts 2001, No. 478, §1.
This post was edited on 8/5/17 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 8/5/17 at 10:22 pm to brewhan davey
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I think I counted 17 Alexander Shunnannannannannann signs on my way to Destin.
Isn't there one on I-20 in Tuscaloosa? Very fitting and appropriate in that shite hole I guess...
Posted on 8/6/17 at 5:49 am to Slippy
How many times have you made this thread in the last 3-4 months?
Posted on 8/6/17 at 5:50 am to I B Freeman
Billboard lawyers don't take cases where liability is a question, loser pays would help them if anything. Reform would be better suited for the chiro/damage exaggerations.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 6:53 am to brewhan davey
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I think I counted 17 Alexander Shunnannannannannann signs on my way to Destin.
I see their signs around Atlanta daily and thought that they were local until we went to Perdido Key a few weeks ago. That guy has the Southeast locked down!
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:25 am to Donkeypunch
Billbaords and the lawyers who put them up are a problem. Insurance companies who have want to try act as if texting and driving and rear ending someone isn't a 100% liability case are also a problem. It cuts both ways.
The LSBA needs to put some advertising restrictions in place.
The LSBA needs to put some advertising restrictions in place.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:25 am to Antonio Moss
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What system do you think is better?
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How Denmark Dumped Medical Malpractice and Improved Patient Safety
In the U.S., patients harmed during medical care have few avenues for redress. The Danes chose to forget about fault and focus on what’s fair.
by Olga Pierce and Marshall Allen
Dec. 31, 2015
COPENHAGEN — It was a distressingly close call. A patient had been sent home from the hospital with instructions to take a common medication at a dose that would have poisoned her.
When Dr. Ole Hamberg heard about the mistake, he decided to investigate.
Hamberg, the head liver specialist at Rigshospitalet, the Danish national hospital, soon found something troubling. The hospital’s electronic prescribing system was mistakenly prompting doctors to give the drug, methotrexate, for daily use when it is safely taken only once or twice a week.
Patients throughout Denmark were being poisoned . . .
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Denmark’s compensation program has been in place since 1992, replacing a lawsuit-based approach much like that in the U.S. The change followed a series of high-profile cases in which patients weren’t able to get compensation through the courts because it was too difficult to prove their doctor did something wrong. The Danish parliament adopted a system similar to those used in Norway and Sweden.
Today, medical injury claims aren’t handled by the Danish court system but by medical and legal experts who review cases at no charge to patients. Patients get answers and can participate in the process whether or not they ultimately receive a monetary award.
Filing a claim is free. Patients are assigned a caseworker to shepherd them through the process. The hospital or doctor is required to file a detailed response, which patients may rebut. Patients have access to their complete medical record and a detailed explanation of the medical reviewers’ decisions. All of this is available for patients and their families through an online portal, which alerts them when there are developments in their claims process.
Compensation is awarded if reviewers determine the care could have been better, or if the patient experienced a rare and severe complication that was “more extensive than the patient should reasonably have to endure.”
Reviewers most often apply one of two criteria, said Peter Jakobsen, chief consultant for legal affairs at the Patient Compensation Association, the body that adjudicates claims. The first is the “specialist rule:” How did the treatment compare to care an experienced specialist would provide?
“The patient is entitled to compensation if not treated at this level,” Jakobsen said. “You can have a situation with compensation where the doctor did a normal, good job, but not at the specialist level.”
A second common criterion is the “fairness rule.” If the patient experienced a severe medical event that occurs less than 2 percent of the time, he or she is eligible for an award. An unusual drug reaction or an infection after a knee replacement are examples.
Patients may file an appeal at no cost if their claim is rejected. Appeals are reviewed by a seven-member board of doctors, patient representatives, an attorney and two representatives of the Danish health care system. Patients may request district court review after an unsuccessful appeal, although that happens in only about 2 percent of claims.
If a patient believes negligence was involved, it can be reported to a parallel system for professional discipline.
LINK
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:33 am to Slippy
Personal injury lawyers are scum. I was wrongfully sued because of an incorrect police report. After we proved the report was wrong and I had nothing to do with the accident (I was sued for rear ending someone in a multi car accident, but I had no damage to front of my car. Only on the back because I was rear ended). The lawyer then said I stopped short causing someone else to hit his client, he of course had no proof of this, and threatened to go after me personally. My insurance paid him out because the case was worth a lot of money and they didn't want to put my personal assets at risk.
Basically, he successfully got money from me even after it was proven I had nothing to do with his clients injuries. fricking scum.
Basically, he successfully got money from me even after it was proven I had nothing to do with his clients injuries. fricking scum.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:35 am to rmc
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The LSBA needs to put some advertising restrictions in place.
There you go. The lawyers should police themselves. But nobody wants to kill the cash cow.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:12 am to NyCaLa
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There you go. The lawyers should police themselves. But nobody wants to kill the cash cow.
Even though I personally agree. This would be constitutional how?
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:15 am to Slippy
If it's profitable then it's ethical. I'd say you're doing god's work, good on you.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:22 am to Donkeypunch
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I see their signs around Atlanta daily and thought that they were local until we went to Perdido Key a few weeks ago. That guy has the Southeast locked down!
Shunnarah's out of Birmingham, but he has 15-20 offices around the southeast. It's a settlement mill.
There's no telling how much he has single-handedly done to increase insurance rates, and made himself extremely wealthy in the process.
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 8:24 am
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:29 am to NC_Tigah
I think New Zealand has a similar plan to Denmark's. No lawsuits. Agency determines your monetary damages. No lawyers cut. No punitive damages.
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