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Posted on 3/10/15 at 4:42 pm to UpToPar
quote:Sure. But the there are school-specific limitations. This incident could easily fall within these limitations.
I'm not saying that this a slam dunk violation of the first amendment, but the first amendment most assuredly protects people from more than just the threat of arrest.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 4:43 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Sure. But the there are school-specific limitations. This incident could easily fall within these limitations.
Absolutely. But that doesn't meant that the first amendment "only protects the freedom to speak, but not the consequences of the speech." That is asinine.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 4:45 pm to lsu480
You confuse the shite out of me!
Posted on 3/10/15 at 4:49 pm to TheBoo
I definitely do not agree with the message of the frat members but for the university to expell them is utter bullshite. Back when I was at USL in the mid nineties and worked in the education office we had a guy who was majoring in secondary education who was the head of the local Knights of the White Camellia (version of the KKK). He actually had a show on the local public access channel. Now no one agreed with the shite he was spewing but they didn't expell him over it either. Hell USL allowed him and his group to distribute literature ON campus because of the fear that by allowing other groups to do this and not him would be a violation of his 1st amendment rights.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 4:50 pm to UpToPar
It's simply a case of debate, nothing more. Unfortunate for all players all the way around from family to frat to administration.
The only way I could fathom this going forward is in a pro bono manner from someone willing to publicize the event in court on behalf of their ill conceived gain (game). I wouldn't doubt for a second the parents have been contacted many times but it's not in the interest of the boy(s).
The only way I could fathom this going forward is in a pro bono manner from someone willing to publicize the event in court on behalf of their ill conceived gain (game). I wouldn't doubt for a second the parents have been contacted many times but it's not in the interest of the boy(s).
This post was edited on 3/10/15 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 3/10/15 at 4:51 pm to terd ferguson
quote:
Black person says n-word: makes millions on rap music
White person says n-word: hate crime
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Black person talks about killing crackers: free speech
White person talks about not letting blacks into a frat: hate crime
Hm, I dunno, maybe context (slavery, Jim Crow, burning and hanging, white terrorism, systematic impoverishment and second class citizenship, continual discrimination, black antiprivilege)?
But I'm sure the contemporary persecution of the white man is "basically the same".
Posted on 3/10/15 at 5:17 pm to Bayou Sam
Question for the attorneys:
According to Volokh Conspiracy, the students' expulsion from the University is a clear violation of First Amendment and Due Process rights. Could these students, and possibly SAE, sue the University for defamation and possibly win an award?
According to Volokh Conspiracy, the students' expulsion from the University is a clear violation of First Amendment and Due Process rights. Could these students, and possibly SAE, sue the University for defamation and possibly win an award?
Posted on 3/10/15 at 5:23 pm to bigpetedatiga
quote:
You confuse the shite out of me!
Explain, I will do my best to clarify.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 5:46 pm to REG861
quote:
I think there's a group dedicated to white loyalty, they even wear white outfits to match. You should look into them.
Black people banding together for their own race is ok though because they were oppressed right?
I am trolling with most of my comments but it's a sad society when a white person merely suggests white people should unite and it's racist. Let's just ignore how racist one side is compared to the other
ETA: I would still go to a BBQ at your house...I know I won't get invited though
This post was edited on 3/10/15 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 3/10/15 at 5:48 pm to Sao
I just got to ask how dumb this chapter is as a whole. Obviously they're racist and horrible, but did one brother, even if they were shitfaced heading to Dallas, scream "Shut the frick up you idiots! Half the people on the bus aren't members of the chapter!"?
Seriously, if I was a chick and wasn't dear friends with any of the actives, I'd certainly consider recording the event wondering what the frick I was thinking going down there with these idiots. It was just plain old stupidity and not just drunkeness as a collective whole that they all started screaming this well reversed rendition of hanging black people.
Seriously, if I was a chick and wasn't dear friends with any of the actives, I'd certainly consider recording the event wondering what the frick I was thinking going down there with these idiots. It was just plain old stupidity and not just drunkeness as a collective whole that they all started screaming this well reversed rendition of hanging black people.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 5:51 pm to Tbobby
quote:Not an attorney, but I don't think the fraternity would have any case. The individuals may, but there might be some details that we are unaware of at this point that could
Question for the attorneys:
According to Volokh Conspiracy, the students' expulsion from the University is a clear violation of First Amendment and Due Process rights. Could these students, and possibly SAE, sue the University for defamation and possibly win an award?
help clarify the situation.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 5:53 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Not an attorney, but I don't think the fraternity would have any case. The individuals may, but there might be some details that we are unaware of at this point that could help clarify the situation.
SAE wants no part of this. They've already washed their hands of the chapter.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 5:59 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:
Posted by Topwater Trout
I know you were trolling, I didn't take it too seriously. My kkk comment was a joke... Not sure where you are getting the bbq thing from though
Posted on 3/10/15 at 6:00 pm to buckeye_vol
I would think the OU president and powers that be would have already run the expulsion of the students by a legal team...doesn't mean they won't sue but I would guess OU had every right to expel them.
Was the videographer expelled?
Was the videographer expelled?
Posted on 3/10/15 at 6:04 pm to REG861
The BBQ thing is an inside joke with me and 805...he likes to give me a hard time 
I still like him though
I still like him though
Posted on 3/10/15 at 6:07 pm to Topwater Trout
I don't think they should have expelled them or suspended the chapter from the campus.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 6:08 pm to terd ferguson
quote:
White person talks about not letting blacks into a frat: hate crime
Is that what you call it?
Posted on 3/10/15 at 6:08 pm to LesMiles BFF
quote:
People keep saying this but it's so far from the truth that it's laughable
Do you know this from personal experience? Bc I know two ppl that were expelled, one gave up on trying to get into another college and it took the other 4 years to do so.
Getting expelled is pretty few and far between when it comes to college. It is usually saved for severe cheating cases and in cases that involve violence and physical harm that has aggravating circumstances.
This post was edited on 3/10/15 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 3/10/15 at 6:08 pm to BIGDAB
quote:
I don't think they should have expelled them or suspended the chapter from the campus.
Well you're in luck, they didn't suspend the chapter from campus...they kicked them off.
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