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re: In your opinion, who was the greatest leader in history?
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:22 am to fr33manator
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:22 am to fr33manator
Patton. Only mistake was getting in that damn jeep.
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:22 am to Tiguar
Tiger Woods
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:30 am to maine82
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Mandela because he understood he importance of moral example and he was absolutely resolute for decades. His ability to forgive was also very important.
Wasn't ole Mandela aligned with a group that stacked tires around people's necks and set them on fire. That was his early years.
Later he only sang songs about killing white people. Kill Whitey
I know many terrible people were mentioned here but it seemed like Mandela was being revered.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:33 am to lsutothetop
From a purely historical/direct power standpoint, Mohammed was a "better leader" than Jesus.
Peaceniks seldom have the clout of violent individuals.
Peaceniks seldom have the clout of violent individuals.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:36 am to fr33manator
They both have quite the legacy. Not bad for a couple of Jewish chaps.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:37 am to StealthCalais11
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Hitler
that was my first thought. i'll save the reasons for later.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:50 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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Saladin > Mohammed
Easily. Most religious figureheads weren't all that great as leaders.
Hell, Moses got lost for 40 years
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:55 am to SpidermanTUba
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people who fought in Europe would have to say Eisenhower - or maybe Patton.
People who fought in the Pacific would have to say MacArthur.
I was of that opinion too, until my Grandpa who was in the Pacific in WWII sat me down and told me about the best man of them all, George C. Marshall.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 10:58 am to LongueCarabine
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You can make a pretty good case for Karolyn Magnus, aka, Charlemagne, aka Charles I, aka Charles the Great. LC
Who exactly are you referring to here?
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:02 am to fr33manator
My vote goes to Gen. Patton. Very bold. Also rumored he ran outside and shot at a German plane with his 1911. Badass general there 
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:05 am to fr33manator
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From a purely historical/direct power standpoint, Mohammed was a "better leader" than Jesus.
True
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:12 am to fr33manator
The Kingfish 
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:18 am to forksup
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Hitler. If only he weren't about the master race thing... Ha, he'd get railed on by today's PC populace.
I've always distinguished between "great" leaders and "effective" leaders--who are often simply master of demagoguery and manipulation. Effective leaders can get people to do what they want. Great leaders lead their people to great things.
Hitler came to the helm of a Germany with a great deal of pent up potential (had been the largest economy in the world only 50 or so years before) and brought them out of a crushing economic situation in the interwar years--in some part by flouting the overly punitive Treaty of Versailles.
He then proceeded to lead the country in a direction that damned near destroyed it, wiped out a generation of young men (Germany's population today is only a few million more than it was in 1939) and led to half a century of division from which she has yet to fully recover.
That is not great leadership. And this has nothing to do with the moral implication of the Holocaust.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:19 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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Saladin
Was a stone pimp if Kingdom of Heaven was in any way accurate.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:31 am to Navytiger74
Yeah kingdom of heaven was a badass movie. Saladin was definitely the greatest Muslim leader, IMO. He was also well respected by his Christian counterparts.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:35 am to SECSolomonGrundy
Was that on a thread here that I read that Ghenghis Khan killed so many people that he changed the climate because there weren't any farmers left in a lot of places so a lot of land turned back to forest?
a bit of a tPOS in addition to being a leader sounds like
a bit of a tPOS in addition to being a leader sounds like
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:36 pm to gthog61
That was in a Hiroshima thread. The dude is credited with killing one hundred million between him and his spawn.
They killed every type of person from china to Hungary.
Smoked out a ton of Muslims because a dumbass shah shaved the beards off of his messengers.
They killed every type of person from china to Hungary.
Smoked out a ton of Muslims because a dumbass shah shaved the beards off of his messengers.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:43 pm to Tiguar
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Patton. Only mistake was getting in that damn jeep.
It was a 1938 Cadillac Model 75 Staff Car, not a jeep.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:45 pm to biglego
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Who exactly are you referring to here?
Why don't you Google or Wiki it?
LC
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