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re: In your opinion, who was the greatest leader in history?
Posted on 7/19/14 at 9:38 pm to LT
Posted on 7/19/14 at 9:38 pm to LT
Ghengis Khan was the GOAT conqueror for sure, it's crazy how many people alive today are related to him bc of all his kids and kids kids ect... I wish the Monguls kept records so we could know more about him, and if it was really just one man who did all the things he gets credited for doing
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 9:47 pm to fr33manator
The most revolutionary figure, leader wise, in history was Napoleon Bonaparte. He literally marks a bright line in military history like no other individual can.
Perhaps someone like Washington can be argued because of his unique position as the U.S. first great military leader and first great civilian leader.
Others have big questions as to whether or not the changes to society and history were permanent or fleeting. Xerxes was a study in contrasts, Alexander died so young, Hannibal couldn't translate battlefield victories into long-term success, Julius Caesar presided over the end of the Roman Republic, Frederick was overshadowed by Napoleon a generation later, Lincoln had a lot of blood on his hands (of course, so did Napoleon), Grant was deeply flawed, personally, and ultimately corrupt as President, Stalin/Hitler/Mao were literally mass murderers.
ETA: Should add Elizabeth I, here. Her defensive nature makes her appear less effective than some on here. Perhaps her overall success and longevity should score her more points than they do.
Perhaps someone like Washington can be argued because of his unique position as the U.S. first great military leader and first great civilian leader.
Others have big questions as to whether or not the changes to society and history were permanent or fleeting. Xerxes was a study in contrasts, Alexander died so young, Hannibal couldn't translate battlefield victories into long-term success, Julius Caesar presided over the end of the Roman Republic, Frederick was overshadowed by Napoleon a generation later, Lincoln had a lot of blood on his hands (of course, so did Napoleon), Grant was deeply flawed, personally, and ultimately corrupt as President, Stalin/Hitler/Mao were literally mass murderers.
ETA: Should add Elizabeth I, here. Her defensive nature makes her appear less effective than some on here. Perhaps her overall success and longevity should score her more points than they do.
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 7/19/14 at 9:56 pm to jacks40
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He made a lot of poor decisions near the end though
He made tons of bad decisions before & throughout WWII.
The two biggest ones were declaring war on the US right after the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor. Many in the US wanted to stay out of the war in Europe.
They remember the US getting dragged into WWI and seeing their sons gassed and mowed down like blades of grass. They didn't want to see that happen again to thier sons.
The second huge mistake Hitler made was invading Russia late in summer time and not properly equiping his army for the harsh Russian winter. Plus he insisted the German Army advance on Stalingrad rather than taking the oil rich southern part of Russia first.
Hitler was too arrogant to listen to his generals and would often over rule their advice. He would would send the German troops into sure defeat when it was not warranted.
The world was very fortunate(if I can use that word) that Hilter was at the leadership of Germany in WWII or we could have seen a very different result that would not have been favorable for Europe or the US.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:03 pm to brass2mouth
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His people turned against him as soon as the war was over for some reason I'll never understand.
The Uk needed to be socialized after the war to be rebuilt.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:04 pm to LSUTigers1986
George Washington was a bad arse mother fricker.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:10 pm to fr33manator
You people missed it all.
Moses was the greatest king of all.
No one else can claim a two +millennium downstream.
Moses was the greatest king of all.
No one else can claim a two +millennium downstream.
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 8:17 am
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:11 pm to Bullfrog
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+mellenium
Is that an element?
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:23 pm to fr33manator
Oh yeah. From the phonetic gas family.
Was a long day.
BUT, millions of people still follow his rules. You can't say that about most anyone else mentioned.
Was a long day.
BUT, millions of people still follow his rules. You can't say that about most anyone else mentioned.
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 8:47 am
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:48 pm to StealthCalais11
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Hitler
Why yes. Let revere the man who was such a leader. While leading his nation and his people he formulated such things as:
Kristallnacht
Enabling Act
Abolishing trade unions and imprisoning the leaders.
Sought racial purity
Seizing property and possessions of those of a different religion or ethnicity
The Holocaust
Yes. Give it up for Adolf.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:48 pm to Ace Midnight
What's your take on Genghis Khan?
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:50 pm to fr33manator
Churchill.
Also an extraordinary life he lived, even if he never became PM.
Also an extraordinary life he lived, even if he never became PM.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:00 pm to JumpingTheShark
Hitler.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:13 pm to fr33manator
Les Miles is up there...
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:15 pm to fr33manator
Well Jesus but that's too easy.
I would say Churchill and Mandela. Churchill's leadership through the Battle of Britain was brilliant and he was able to lead Britain out of the perilous state Chamberlain left the county in, when it could have gone horribly wrong. People also forget that he had to lead a coalition government during the war.
Mandela because he understood he importance of moral example and he was absolutely resolute for decades. His ability to forgive was also very important.
Honorable Mention: Washington, Lincoln, JPII, Thatcher, Ariel Sharon.
I would say Churchill and Mandela. Churchill's leadership through the Battle of Britain was brilliant and he was able to lead Britain out of the perilous state Chamberlain left the county in, when it could have gone horribly wrong. People also forget that he had to lead a coalition government during the war.
Mandela because he understood he importance of moral example and he was absolutely resolute for decades. His ability to forgive was also very important.
Honorable Mention: Washington, Lincoln, JPII, Thatcher, Ariel Sharon.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:17 pm to maine82
George Patton
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:18 pm to maine82
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His ability to forgive was also very important.
Wasn't too forgiving when he was having people necktied.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:19 pm to Tiger1242
Khan was not only the greatest conqueror, but he also did an incredible job of uniting the Mongol tribes.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:19 pm to fr33manator
Pretty hard to argue against Alexander The Great. If he wouldn't have died at 32, I don't think there would be any doubt.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:21 pm to boom roasted
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What's your take on Genghis Khan?
Kind of like Julius Caesar of the East - however, the great accomplishments of the Horde after him kind of overshadow his foundational work. Extremely important to the Mongols, though, which dominated Asia for centuries - as important to them as Washington was to the U.S. or Julius Caesar was to the Roman Empire.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:22 pm to fr33manator
I would most like to see him fight Ronald Reagan
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