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re: Electric cars save gas. Don't ask how long the tires last....
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:53 am to cyarrr
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:53 am to cyarrr
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Does it cost more to insure your Tesla comparatively to your other vehicles?
Plenty of people say it does, but that's counter to my experience. My wife went from a 16 IS350 to a 22 Model 3 and it was basically flat. Fleet insurance for EVs has stayed flat for the ones i see at work, but thats mostly because we did a good job convincing them that that a lot of the wrecks were happening at gas stations and we wouldn't have to do that anymore.
Seems that it's pretty dependent on your insurance company so i would just get a quote. I doubt you'll see anything crazy.
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:08 am to billjamin
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Seems that it's pretty dependent on your insurance company so i would just get a quote. I doubt you'll see anything crazy.
Thanks for the advice.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:25 am to billjamin
Can they not make the foam more “spongy” for a softer ride? This seems like a materials engineering problem that is solvable.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:28 am to Joshjrn
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Weird that I’ve never heard anyone crying about that weight discrepancy.
Its not some complicated thing to figure out. Truck and SUV tires are larger, wider, and have higher load ratings meaning they are designed to take on the added weight and not degrade as fast.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:30 am to dltigers3
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Its not some complicated thing to figure out. Truck and SUV tires are larger, wider, and have higher load ratings meaning they are designed to take on the added weight and not degrade as fast.
And historically cost far more than "normal" tires.
Now explain why I only heard about "muh damage to the roads" when EVs showed up, and not when every slapdick needed a giant truck and to put his short fat wife in a giant SUV
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:32 am to billjamin
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just think it's funny we never see anyone complain about a 3 series eating up tires the way a model 3 would
You are using one outlier to argue a point, when most of us in this thread are talking about the unintended consequences of industry wide government mandates. I actually like EVs and plan to purchase one soon, But I'm certainly not doing it to save the environment as that myth is pretty easy to dispel. Therefore, I think anything pointing out the negative effects of EVs on the environment is fair game when Democrats are trying to force them on an entire country.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:34 am to Joshjrn
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why I only heard about "muh damage to the roads" when EVs showed up, and not when every slapdick needed a giant truck and to put his short fat wife in a giant SUV
You are moving goal posts now. You went from 3 series, to trucks tires, and now are talking about damage to road which I haven't seen anyone in this thread bring up. Though I may have missed it since its getting long
Edit, my truck tires cost less than the examples people game earlier of car tires, and they are on 30,000 miles with plenty of life left
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 11:36 am
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:34 am to billjamin
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Model 3 is about the same weight as a BMW 3 series.
A BMW 3-series if it's plug-in hybrid version, otherwise a Model 3 weighs a few hundred pounds more. That's the missing context you and Obtuse1 skipped over.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:42 am to dltigers3
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You are moving goal posts now. You went from 3 series, to trucks tires, and now are talking about damage to road which I haven't seen anyone in this thread bring up. Though I may have missed it since its getting long
Edit, my truck tires cost less than the examples people game earlier of car tires, and they are on 30,000 miles with plenty of life left
Post I replied to just happened to mention 3 series. I was simply responding to the weight argument in general. I've already address the fact that I don't think anyone on this board actually cares about their tires wearing 20% faster. If they did, they would drive like grandmas to counter it, which would matter far more than the weight of the vehicle.
I brought up the road damage "issue" because it's what people have been obsessed with for years now when they reference EV weight. Tire wear is extremely new to the silly whining game.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:46 am to Joshjrn
Gotcha, and I must've missed all the road damage arguments, this is the first I've heard that one. I'd be on your side on that one since there are significantly heavier vehicles of all types using the road daily, but again, you are the first person I've seen reference that.
I am just against any gov mandates of EVs and although I personally like most EVs, I believe any impact to the environment or added costs to the consumer should be pointed out and argued to build opposition to mandates.
I am just against any gov mandates of EVs and although I personally like most EVs, I believe any impact to the environment or added costs to the consumer should be pointed out and argued to build opposition to mandates.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:56 am to dltigers3
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But I'm certainly not doing it to save the environment
No one is. Thats well known. The vast majority of EV owners DGAF. The only people that bring it up are talking heads and OT baws who think everyone who owns an EV is a Biden follower.
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I think anything pointing out the negative effects of EVs
Thats fine but this is a particularly stupid talking point.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 12:01 pm to Clames
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A BMW 3-series if it's plug-in hybrid version, otherwise a Model 3 weighs a few hundred pounds more. That's the missing context you and Obtuse1 skipped over.
The 330iX would be the most comparable ICE model. The weight difference is about 300lbs, ~7%. Doesn't really match up with the ~20% heavier claim made earlier.
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 1/25/24 at 12:06 pm to billjamin
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No one is. Thats well known. T
Again, a majority of our government and half of the voting population are pushing this narrative so to act like its just accepted that EVs are no better for the environment is dumb.
And while I don't agree with this particular argument, calling it stupid is quite arrogant when you provide no data to contradict it.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 12:11 pm to dltigers3
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And while I don't agree with this particular argument, calling it stupid is quite arrogant when you provide no data to contradict it.
NYSERDA
Environment coming in at #5 of 5. That correlates with every bit of market research i've seen on this that i can't post.
Reality is people buy them because they're cars that work for them and they're cheaper to operate
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EVs are no better for the environment is dumb.
They're slightly better depending on where the power comes from and their service life. Regardless, the vast majority of owners DGAF.
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 1/25/24 at 12:14 pm to billjamin
Cool story and all, but I've only argued against government mandates and the environment is #1 on their list.
I don't care why consumers purchase them, and I've already stated I plan on buying one soon.
I don't care why consumers purchase them, and I've already stated I plan on buying one soon.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 12:19 pm to SuperOcean
quote:Don't forget that a high torque performance EV is likely to have softer, more performance tires than a family minivan.
But I do like how you used the high end weight of a Pacifica ( which i see ranging from4200 to 4800 but the low end weight of an X..5100 to 5500 (but with plenty of content advising that it's north of 6000 for tax credits
Posted on 1/25/24 at 12:21 pm to csorre1
quote:and you are also talking about the biggest, most expensive, most perfomance wheel option. Not every Tesla comes with 21's
The stock tires aren't that cheap. The front tires cost right at $500 per tire, the rear barely under $600, plus balancing, tax, and you're an idiot of you don't get road hazard on that expensive of a tire.
Tirebuyer and tire rack list the wrong tire. There is also a different model front and back. Stock front tires are the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S 265/30/ZR21 (101Y) extra load and stock rear tires are the Michelin Pilot Sport 4s 295/30/ZR21 (102Y) extra load. Maybe you can find them cheaper and out of stock, but you won't do a whole lot better for anywhere that can get them.
Obviously you could get a cheaper tire, but I said the stock tire.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 12:21 pm to dltigers3
Tires on my CTS-V 20 years ago lasted less than 10k miles. They were essentially track tires.
Tires on my 5500+ (often over 6K according to the grain scales I've rolled across) pound trucks last 70K+.
It isn't just weight.
Tires on my 5500+ (often over 6K according to the grain scales I've rolled across) pound trucks last 70K+.
It isn't just weight.
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 1/25/24 at 12:25 pm to Klondikekajun
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The excessive weight of an EV wears everything out much faster….
Thanks. I seriously didn't know.
I am 100% serious with this question. What are the benefits of buying a EV? Other than "its good for the environment" which if all of a sudden everyone had EVs would do very little, if nothing at all to fight "climate change". I mentioned this before, but I am going by what I read in Super Freakanomics. Humans only make up 2% of the emissions that are released and in order to have any type of impact on that 2% it would require every country to go completely "green", which isn't happening.
But reasons not to buy a EV
- Have to charge battery for power.
- Because of battery, its not ideal to travel a long distance in an EV (you will have to stop to charge, which takes a lot longer than having to fill up the gas tank).
- Evidently when plugged in vehicle, if it is too cold it can freeze to the car.
- Replacing tires at least once a year, but more than likely at least 2 times a year.
- They are more expensive.
Is this accurate? If so, I just don't get it.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 12:28 pm to achenator
One of the two options, but you have a point.
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