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re: Electric cars save gas. Don't ask how long the tires last....

Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:19 pm to
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:19 pm to
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I've never had a car that can do 60 in four seconds but if I did I'm sure I would abuse it.

Tesla drivers are the slowest drivers on the road
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:20 pm to
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You realize this is probably from aggressive driving right?

If you believe this then I question if you’ve ever…driven a car
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:21 pm to
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A set of 4 tires on a current stock model S is $3000.


Tire rack for 2022 Model S shows a range of $1000-1800 for four tires
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:38 pm to
My duratracs go 80k miles minimum. I had one set hit 110k. Never hit the wear bars. 285/75R16.

Always replaced when wet traction atarted to suffer.

Wife gets 60-80k out of her hankooks.

Ps...whomever said a set of tires for an S was 3k. 166 and 221 a tire. Stop lying so god damned much.
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:40 pm to
Buddy in Ohio has had to get new tires every 18 months since owning his Tesla. The weight kills the tires. His Pacifica every 3..4 years but that tesla x eats them. He has been remote since covid... But now he's remote and 30 miles each way... So the 18 months would be a luxury

Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:41 pm to
Germans.

Not because this particular article has been covered here, but because this is just another thread where those who hate EVs no matter what are going to shite all over them, and those who love them are going to defend any and all negatives about them to the bitter end.

Wash, rinse, repeat.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 9:42 pm
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:44 pm to
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The weight kills the tires. His Pacifica every 3..4 years but that tesla x eats them.


Pacifica. 4883

X. 5248

The one thing I hate almost as much as a pedophile is a liar
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:45 pm to
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those who hate EVs no matter what are going to shite all over them, and those who love them are going to defend any and all negatives about them to the bitter end.


I hate evs, and everyone in this thread who is claiming that weight is the issue is borderline retarded
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:48 pm to
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The one thing I hate almost as much as a pedophile is a liar


You didn't read op.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:53 pm to
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I hate evs, and everyone in this thread who is claiming that weight is the issue is borderline retarded

It doesn't matter, they must sling shite.
Posted by Bourre
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:55 pm to
Keep buying EVs to “save the planet”!

fricking idiots
Posted by duckblind56
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:15 pm to
Don't care. Not going to drive one. My 2001 Wrangler and 2018 F-150 gonna be my last.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:23 pm to
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these threads are weird to me. It's like they can't afford an EV so they have to come up with reasons to feel better about not owning one.


Yeah it’s almost like the government is trying to force adoption
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:54 pm to
Where the rubber meets the road.

I guess some fools believed they would have zero maintenance on a vehicle just because it has an electric engine.





Posted by dgnx6
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Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:56 pm to
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hate evs, and everyone in this thread who is claiming that weight is the issue is borderline retarded


Weight plus torque equals more wear.

They are literally leaving more rubber on the road.

Interesting Atlantic headline.

quote:

EVs Are Sending Toxic Tire Particles Into the Water, Soil, and Air Electric cars fix one pollution problem—and worsen another.


quote:

EVs burn through tires 30% faster than combustible engine cars thanks to hefty weights and speedy acceleration, according to Bridgestone



This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 11:00 pm
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 11:07 pm to
With the weight they should be running load range D or E tires but that would require truck tires…
Posted by BigBinBR
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Member since Mar 2023
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 11:34 pm to
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ah man, becuase there's a battery in the car it makes the rubber wear out faster.


Not the battery specifically, but almost all Teslas are AWD and have separate motors for each axle. They wear tires like a FWD and RWD vehicle.

Gas AWD vehicles typically have a center differential that basically acts as a limited slip. You aren’t getting full engine power to both axles (it’s split between the two).

This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 11:35 pm
Posted by redstick13
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 12:41 am to
Will they burn on my fire pile the same as gas tires?
Posted by POTUS2024
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 12:47 am to
What every EV deserves
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:39 am to
This whole thread is full of misinformation.

First that the weight of EVs is so much higher than comparable ICE cars it wears out tires designed for them at a crazy rate.



Like for like EVs aren't that much heavier than comparable ICE cars. The Model S is within 10% of the weight of a 5 series. Pickups are the one area where the weight difference is significant.


People referring to the link in the OP saying EV tires have super soft compounds are off the mark.

This is the rundown of an OE tire for the Model 3, the tire has a UTQG treadwear rating of 400 (frankly if you don't know what that is you probably shouldn't be attempting to discuss tires in an objective fashion) and a tread life warranty of 45,000 miles which is limited to 6 years.




In comparison this is the OE tire for my DD, it has a UTQG treadwear of 240 because it has a truly soft (for a street tire) compound. I get about 15k out of rears and a little over 20k from the fronts. I do drive it like I stole it.




People have also discussed the performance of EVs and how this allows the driver to torture the tire. The issue with that is how an ICE car and EV differ in the way they transmit torque to the wheels. An ICE can not launch from idle (quickly) to get the most acceleration from an ICE you have to launch well above idle which results in drivetrain and tire torture. To get the quickest launch you have to balance things like tire speed and tire slip both of which means carving lots of rubber off the tires. EVs damn near dead hook on a good surface. Go watch a Model S Plaid at the drag strip on YT and notice how little tire spin they get. Just a couple of chirps and they are off. Electric motors are far better at launching a car with limited amounts of drivetrain and tire abuse.


Can you destroy a set of tires in 8-10k? Absolutely. But with the OE tires on a Model 3 you should get more miles than an OE set on a 3 Series as long as both cars are mechanically in good condition and you drive them similarly because the OE tires on the BMW will have softer compounds* with a much lower UTQG treadwear rating.



* I used softer compound as a shortcut, modern road car tire wear isn't just about compound durometer by a long shot but those things are all taken into account in the tradwear portion of the UTQG. I should also point out that UTQG is not a standardized number with an ISO or similar testing routine so you can compare them directly within a manufacturer but there is no guarantee they will compare reasonably across different manufacturers. I have used almost exclusively Michelin, Continental, Pirelli, and Yokohama for street tires over the last 30 years and find their UTQG wear ratings to be pretty similar IME.


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