re: Answers in Genesis presents: Noahland

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I don't understand before CHRIST. So, he is the way the truth and the life and no one comes to the father but him. So, did he send everyone to hell before CHRIST died?

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We are saved looking back to the death and resurrection on Jesus. Those before His time were saved looking forward.

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So, if God is love, and being kind is a characteristic of love as defined by the NIV verse in Corinthians, why would he send his son to die an allegedly excruciating death when there was obviously some standard set before Christ?

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The sacrifice of animals was a temporary sacrifice. You needed to continue to sacrifice animals to cover your sins. The sacrifice of Jesus is forever. The only single sacrifice that was enough to cover all of man kinds sins for the duration was that of His son.

Salvation is a gift that we can not earn through our human actions. We can accept it only, or not accept it, but never can we earn it. And as such we also can not lose it through human actions.


I won't pretend to have all the answers. These are my beliefs. Anyone on either side of this discussion who does claim to know all the answers is a fool.

I like your questioning attitude. I am one of those believers who doesn't think having questions is a bad thing. Your questions aren't disrespectful.

But that's the thing: A fallen world can't explain it if you reject evolution.

If evolution isn't real, the only way malaria can exist is if God actively created Plasmodium, a set of organisms which only exist as a disease causing parasitic Protozoa. They didn't evolve from doe thing benign, they were created by God directly.

Why?

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ our lord.

So, tell me, what's the worst thing you have ever done? If God isn't a loving God, your worst sin would kill you right? If he was such a spiteful God like you say, you'd be dead right now.

But like I said before, I don't claim to have all the answers and know how and why God does the things he does. All I can do is try and live right by him.

If you're asking me am I a sinner under the biblical definition of sin, I am. Everyone sans JESUS is.

But, by that logic, everyone would be dead because of sin because all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And all sin is equal in the eyes of God.

It takes very minimal intelligence to understand the problems with a literal Biblical flood.

I'm with you man. No one has seriously answered what the animals ate when they got off the Ark. Herbivores should've been fricked because their food source was toast and the carnivores probably had their shot at them too.

But I guess you can't seriously answer that question if you literally believe that story, because rational and critical thinking had already been tossed out.

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In my experience it takes years of indoctrination before you arrive at adults who no longer question it.

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There are people who just accept it because its in the bible. Its almost as if they think its wrong to even question these things. This was years ago, but I was having a drink with some friends and the girls in the group somehow started talking about the bible. I started to ask them questions similar to the ones I asked about Noah and one of them got mad and told me "you are thinking too much into this. Whatever the bible says is all we need to know". These were people with college degrees, have good jobs, etc (I am just saying it wasn't as if I was talking to the uneducated.. And not that having a college degree means people should have a certain view on religion).

One set of my grandparents were "die-hard" Catholics. They didn't miss Sunday Mass for anything. My grandpa was a wise man, fought in WWII, worked a job as well as ran a AC company on the side, but when it came to his religion it was as if he lost a certain sense that he applied to his non-religion life. There are a lot of people like this, I was just using them as an example, but when you do not allow yourself to question something it makes you vulnerable.

The bible was written when? 700+ years after Jesus reportedly died? Then it has been translated, I am not 100% sure but the original language it was written in doesn't even exist anymore. What about the scriptures that were decided not to be included in the bible? There is just too much to question, yet many people expects everyone to just "roll with it".

Yet another who has added zilch to this conversation.

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I haven't read the whole thread and probably won't, but why do people think Christians (and some do apparently) believe the earth is only 6-7k years old?

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Because religious fundamentalist believe the Earth was created in literally seven days. Most are well intentioned, but they have no clue. If they truly did some research they might actually begin to understand and not turn so many away because of their illogical and extreme views.