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re: Answers in Genesis presents: Noahland
Posted on 6/26/16 at 1:51 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 6/26/16 at 1:51 pm to Roger Klarvin
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That's actually exactly what most religions do, they put God in a box that says he did this, this and this and has these specific traits. Take Christianity, God is defined very specifically and narrowly in such a way as to essentially make him a testable hypothesis. The irony of organized religion is they argue you can't disprove God, which is true, but then they go and assign specific attributes and actions to God which they say must be true thereby making their version of God testable. I don't know whether or not a God exists, but I can know Christianity isn't true because I can put many of its claim to the test.
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Posted on 6/26/16 at 1:51 pm to shiftworker
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We deserve death. But, CHRIST came to save everyone from their sins. I get it.
I just don't necessarily believe it any longer.
I don't understand before CHRIST. So, he is the way the truth and the life and no one comes to the father but him. So, did he send everyone to hell before CHRIST died? No. Because it states in the Lazarus parable in the new Testament that they will be comforted in Abraham's bosom.
So, if God is love, and being kind is a characteristic of love as defined by the NIV verse in Corinthians, why would he send his son to die an allegedly excruciating death when there was obviously some standard set before Christ?
I get CHRIST replaced the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament. That doesn't seem kind. It doesn't seem like an act of love. You may argue he loved us enough to give his only son up on the cross, but why wouldn't he snap his fingers and say that animal sacrifices are no longer a propitiation for sin and be done with it?
We deserve death. But, CHRIST came to save everyone from their sins. I get it.
I just don't necessarily believe it any longer.
I don't understand before CHRIST. So, he is the way the truth and the life and no one comes to the father but him. So, did he send everyone to hell before CHRIST died? No. Because it states in the Lazarus parable in the new Testament that they will be comforted in Abraham's bosom.
So, if God is love, and being kind is a characteristic of love as defined by the NIV verse in Corinthians, why would he send his son to die an allegedly excruciating death when there was obviously some standard set before Christ?
I get CHRIST replaced the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament. That doesn't seem kind. It doesn't seem like an act of love. You may argue he loved us enough to give his only son up on the cross, but why wouldn't he snap his fingers and say that animal sacrifices are no longer a propitiation for sin and be done with it?
Posted on 6/26/16 at 1:57 pm to Revelator
You have added nothing to the discussion. Congrats.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 1:57 pm to Roger Klarvin
I don't get why all you atheists have such a hard on about Christians. Why can't y'all just let us believe what we want and vice versa. Look, I'm a Christian through and through, do I think y'all are going to be condemned to an eternity of pain and suffering if you don't accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior? You bet. But am I going to absolutely shove my beliefs down yalls throats like y'all do to us? No. I can tell you at length about the love and teachings of Christ. But it's up to y'all to accept it. And if you ever said you don't want anything to do with Christ or his teachings then that's fine by me I guess.
But it's really annoying and says a lot about atheists when y'all resort to berating Christians for our beliefs.
But it's really annoying and says a lot about atheists when y'all resort to berating Christians for our beliefs.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:02 pm to tuptiger
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You may argue he loved us enough to give his only son up on the cross, but why wouldn't he snap his fingers and say that animal sacrifices are no longer a propitiation for sin and be done with it?
Because there had to be something to replace animal sacrifices. Also, before and up until Christ's sacrifices people thought your own works could get you into heaven when that is not the case.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:05 pm to Roger Klarvin
Your post history betrays your words.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:05 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
quote:Why?
Because there had to be something to replace animal sacrifices.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:06 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
If God is omnipotent, why did there have to be something to replace animal sacrifices? In the same way a God, who created the universe, in theory, could flood the Earth because he is all powerful, why would that God, who is all powerful, be necessarily committed to replacing animal sacrifices?
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:06 pm to shiftworker
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The unbeliever saying God isn't powerful enough to accommodate any of these things.
Why would he intentionally not only hide all the evidence, but create contradictory evidence?
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:07 pm to dirtsandwich
Because God is a perfect being. He can't be around sin. Something had to take the weight of our sins in order for us to truly repent.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:08 pm to Shepherd88
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Ahh actually I suspected you'd say that, but considering earth is 7-10k yrs old then your point doesn't hold up.
Now you'll come back and mention how that earth is millions upon millions of years old based on carbon dating. To which I'll point out that the creator of carbon dating actually stated that it's only reliable dating an object up to 6k yrs old.
I haven't read the whole thread and probably won't, but why do people think Christians (and some do apparently) believe the earth is only 6-7k years old?
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:09 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Look, I'm a Christian through and through, do I think y'all are going to be condemned to an eternity of pain and suffering if you don't accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior? You bet.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:09 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
What do you mean when you say God can't be around sin? I ask because he created the devil. Granted, you'll argue that Lucifer had free will, but it's not like Lucifer was born out of the free will of a mother and father. He was an angel.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:10 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Why can't y'all just let us believe what we want and vice versa.
Who is stopping you?
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do I think y'all are going to be condemned to an eternity of pain and suffering if you don't accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior? You bet.
Nobody on this side of the fence could ever possibly hate you this much. Consider that the next time you accuse others of "hating" Christians.
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But it's really annoying and says a lot about atheists when y'all resort to berating Christians for our beliefs.
No atheist believes any Christian is deserving of eternal torture. That's a level of hate incomprehensible to me.
This post was edited on 6/26/16 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:11 pm to Roger Klarvin
This is what happens in the offseason. Can't wait for September.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:12 pm to tuptiger
quote:Animal Sacifices and Burnt Offerings were how the priests and attendants got fed. Those are just ancient terms for Barbecue.
If God is omnipotent, why did there have to be something to replace animal sacrifices?
The priest were greatly pissed by Jesus' teachings because he was messing with their grub.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:15 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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He can't be around sin.
Then he's not omnipotent. He can choose to not be around sin, but if there is anything he CANT do then there are limits to his power.
There are numerous aspects of orthodox Christian theology which are paradoxical and contradictory.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:16 pm to Stagg8
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This is what happens in the offseason. Can't wait for September.
Yeah, the rant during football season is full of logic and reason.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:17 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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I don't get why all you atheists have such a hard on about Christians
Because religion is stupid and a complete waste of time. It says you cant be good and compassionate without some reason for being so. It tries to instill good by guilt and fear of damnation
Dogma is antithetical to growth and understanding
Christians get a pass in this country only because they were born here. Every Sunday 100 million people gather and say and do things that were they in any other forum of public discourse, any other day of the week, they would be ridiculed.
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do I think y'all are going to be condemned to an eternity of pain and suffering if you don't accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior? You bet.
so much for free will
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No. I can tell you at length about the love and teachings of Christ
make sure you include his acceptance of slavery...so you let us know if you thinks its acceptable for any person to own another as property. Then I will say you have more morality than God when you answer, NO.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:24 pm to Cruiserhog
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No. I can tell you at length about the love and teachings of Christ
I don't see it in my life at all. I get free will. But, non genetic and non environmental diseases are a large question I have.
I get someone who drinks heavily getting liver cancer. I get someone who smokes getting lung Cancer.
I don't understand children getting Cancer. I volunteer with the mentally ill. I see where someone who does spice gets a mental illness. I don't see how a six year old with auditory and visual hallucinations is in any way related to free will, assuming free will is defined within the bounds of making a conscious decision.
Once you lose agency, I don't follow how God is love, given that love is kind. People claim its a "different kind of love".
Yeah fricking right.
This post was edited on 6/26/16 at 2:27 pm
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