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re: 2 billion year old fossils of multicellular life forms discovered
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:12 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:12 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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That's OK. God still loves you and I will pray for you.
If I catch you praying for me you will be having an arse-kicking coming your way. I'm not fricking around bro, you pray for me you better pray for some health insurance too, cause I will stomp a mudhole in your arse.
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Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:12 pm to ThuperThumpin
What do you mean how did his message resonate? They crucified him!
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:18 pm to ThuperThumpin
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So how did Christ's message of salvation from hell resonate with Jews who really did not believe in hell in the first place. I was taught in my theology classes that his message was more practical. Sinning in 1st century palestine was serious and would bring shame and poverty to your family. Jesus's message of the forgiveness of sins gave hope to those who were marked as sinner not salvation from hell. Anytime I bring this up to evangelicals I get the usual bible beat down.
Jesus was speaking to both the metaphysical and physical realms. It was almost kind of a "different strokes for different folks" approach. To right the wrongs of people being cast out, he preached forgiveness. For those who needed reassurance that being a good person was worth it despite the suffering, he preached of paradise. For those who feared wickedness on earth, they would get their just rewards in Hell.
In all honesty, the philosophy was rooted in some very simple ideas. Be a good person for the sake of being good and you will be rewarded. Do good for the wrong reasons, vanity, quid pro quo, advantage, ect; evil for good reasons (ends justify the means); or evil for evil's sake (because evil is fun) and you will be punished.
He was preaching AGAINST the kind of judgmental fire and brimstone BS that many evangelicals beat people over the head with. In the end, Jesus did not care how you did it (aka, no more Rabbinical law) as much as what you did as long as you did it just because it was the right thing to do.
The ideal Christian would give as much wealth to charity as he could spare, would spend his time helping others, would spend his time praying and reflecting with God, not because he wants attention, not because he wants some "reward", but just because it's the right thing to do.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:32 pm to ThuperThumpin
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So how did Christ's message of salvation from hell resonate with Jews who really did not believe in hell in the first place. I was taught in my theology classes that his message was more practical. Sinning in 1st century palestine was serious and would bring shame and poverty to your family. Jesus's message of the forgiveness of sins gave hope to those who were marked as sinner not salvation from hell. Anytime I bring this up to evangelicals I get the usual bible beat down.
For a religion to be succesful and take off it has to do two things.
It has to inspire people and make them feel great about joining and it has to defame the current status quo.
The serpent was used by many old religions to symbolize a god's coming or exit from the world.
We see this with Wajet and Renulet. We also see this with early Babylonian and Sumatran gods.
Well a "new" (in quotes because some argue it was the first religion, but those people are young earthers) religion comes along, with a new retelling of an old story of man's genesis, but in this telling the snake is evil, the snake is a devil creature.
Rather than many confusing and warring Gods, you now have a God, you have symbols of other religions demonized and made to seem like the antithesis of the Hebrew faith.
A long time later a new faith springs from the Hebrew faith, striking down the oppressive Levitical laws, and allowing sinners a a chance for redemption, by letting the son of God into your heart.
Most people have sinned, so the idea of forgiveness is a great promise. But what's better is now you have a fear of eternal torture in hell or love in heaven. You actually have something to look forward to, after you die of old age at 42 in your dirt fields.
We have seen countless revisions of the Christian church from groups that offer more or take away some of the previous teachings.
We have seen offshoot religions founded that expand on the teachings.
But all religions basically say the same thing.
"Be a good person"
that is the just of it.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:34 pm to kingbob
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The ideal Christian would give as much wealth to charity as he could spare
This is why I think if Jesus is real, the Joel Oresteins and Preachers in mansions will all be joining me in hell.
I did a job for a baptist preacher in Lapalce, his congregation was poor as hell, but he had a goddam Bentley. Then wanted to be cheap on his payments.
Sad, people give 10% and some of these bastards use that as a checkbook.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:43 pm to Napoleon
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This is why I think if Jesus is real, the Joel Oresteins and Preachers in mansions will all be joining me in hell.
I did a job for a baptist preacher in Lapalce, his congregation was poor as hell, but he had a goddam Bentley. Then wanted to be cheap on his payments.
Sad, people give 10% and some of these bastards use that as a checkbook.
I absolutely agree. That is why I'm such a fan of Pope Francis. He has done a great job at calling out those kinds of behaviors by priests of the Catholic Church all while living a very modest life. My SO's church, Our Lady of Mercy, has the most hypocritical priest I've ever met. Their church office has seen almost the whole staff leave in the past year since that priest arrived. The congregation seems to be on the verge of contacting the Bishop because he's such a hypocrite.
My heirarchy of bad people:
3. Evil to be evil
2. evil to be good
1. lying hypocrites who "do as I say, not as I do"
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:51 pm to kingbob
Seven pages of pointless, meaningless argument. Neither side of this argument can definitively provide all of the answers to the creation of the universe, what is on the outside of the universe, or what existed before the universe. The Bible's scope it not to be an all-encompassing account of history or science. There are two accounts of creation in the Bible, and all told are covered in just a couple of pages. Meanwhile typical Bibles have over 1000 pages - most of it covering the fact that we are loved and are to love each other. Why do people try to make this an academic text?
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:56 pm to The First Cut
There really hasn't been a whole lot of argument. It's mostly been a very civil discussion about why people choose to believe what they do and the philosophical basis for those beliefs. There has also been some expounding on those beliefs from historical contexts. There have only been a few random troll or flame posts. The rest has been pretty enlightening conversation from believers and non-believers alike.
The reason it's read academically is because it has been proven to actually contain quite a bit of historical and cultural knowledge. Through the old and new testaments, you get a nearly complete history of a small but very important historical nation that played a role in many regional events from the rise and fall of Egyptian Dynasties, the Babylonian Empire, the Greco/Persian Wars, and Imperial Rome. Many of the bible's stories can be found outside of the bible in historical texts and corroborated with archaeological evidence.
Where the Bible points to ancient cities, our archaeologists find ancient cities. When the Bible mentions a ruler of a powerful Empire, we find evidence of their rule. It's quite fascinating, really. It seems to actually contain historical accounts alongside religious allegory.
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Meanwhile typical Bibles have over 1000 pages - most of it covering the fact that we are loved and are to love each other. Why do people try to make this an academic text?
The reason it's read academically is because it has been proven to actually contain quite a bit of historical and cultural knowledge. Through the old and new testaments, you get a nearly complete history of a small but very important historical nation that played a role in many regional events from the rise and fall of Egyptian Dynasties, the Babylonian Empire, the Greco/Persian Wars, and Imperial Rome. Many of the bible's stories can be found outside of the bible in historical texts and corroborated with archaeological evidence.
Where the Bible points to ancient cities, our archaeologists find ancient cities. When the Bible mentions a ruler of a powerful Empire, we find evidence of their rule. It's quite fascinating, really. It seems to actually contain historical accounts alongside religious allegory.
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:04 pm to kingbob
I find the Bible extremely fascinating; but, that's not what I said. I said that it is not an all-encompassing account of either science or history. It is extremely relevant, just not to science.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:09 pm to kingbob
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My heirarchy of bad people:
3. Evil to be evil
2. evil to be good
1. lying hypocrites who "do as I say, not as I do"
Some friends of mine think I'm trying to "buy my way into heaven" as I am active with a parish and friendly with the Priest. I just think he is a great guy and love supporting the parish my kids will go to.
My step kids are both getting into religion and I want them to find their own way.
They go to mass at school and enjoy it.
Will not tell them that mommy and step daddy don't believe.
I also donate to the catholic church because I see that they do a lot of good locally.
But I have donated time and materials to baptist churches too.
A few of the local appliances shops get together to offer free replacement on their A/C and appliances that get damaged or stolen. (common, especially churches that have rec centers with freezers and stuff)
I know I am a good person.
The only crime I commit is I smoke. I don't like to do bad and I don't really sin (other than the sex stuff)
I just don't personally feel that I need Jesus in my life.
This upsets friends, but too much about organized religion turns me off.
Plus, as a Catholic I could always technically come back into the fold one day.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:12 pm to Jim Rockford
Wow that's an amazing find.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:13 pm to Napoleon
You are saved by faith, not works. It's now about how much good you do.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:22 pm to BigEdLSU
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You are saved by faith, not works. It's now about how much good you do.
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8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:22 pm to BigEdLSU
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You are saved by faith, not works. It's now about how much good you do.
If that is how I will be judged than I do not want to be saved.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:28 pm to BigEdLSU
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What do you mean how did his message resonate? They crucified him!
I meant how would a message that focuses on being saved from hell ever get off the ground when those being preached to dont really believe in hell. It would be like telling you believe in me and you will be saved from the boogie man. It seems to me that Jesus's message has been twisted into this fear based crap of being saved or burn.
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:33 pm to ThuperThumpin
Jesus's teachings included the "be saved or burn", but he didn't dwell on them nearly as much as those evangelical preachers you and I so abhor. The crazy thing is, the heaven and hell stuff didn't really bother the Jews so much. The Pharisees were so concerned with the law that they were blinded by everything else. The crucified him because he was a threat to their power. Jesus taught that adherence to the law was not as important as faith. Jesus believed in humble action rather than the whole "Be exactly our brand of 'good' or we stone you to death" vibe the scribes were jivin'.
The Pharisees only retained power at the behest of the Roman rulers. The Romans allowed them to stay in charge of the church with the hopes that they could help keep the rowdy, stubborn population docile. The Pharisees feared that if they couldn't contain Jesus of Nazareth and his huge throngs of followers, that the Romans would remove them and replace them or outlaw the faith entirely.
Jesus's message of Heaven and Hell resonated with the poor. The people who wanted to believe that there was something better than this world and that those who were wicked and cruel in this life would find justice in the next.
The Pharisees only retained power at the behest of the Roman rulers. The Romans allowed them to stay in charge of the church with the hopes that they could help keep the rowdy, stubborn population docile. The Pharisees feared that if they couldn't contain Jesus of Nazareth and his huge throngs of followers, that the Romans would remove them and replace them or outlaw the faith entirely.
Jesus's message of Heaven and Hell resonated with the poor. The people who wanted to believe that there was something better than this world and that those who were wicked and cruel in this life would find justice in the next.
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:41 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Jesus's message has been twisted into this fear based crap of being saved or burn
There are some churches that try to scare the hell out of you. There are some churches that try to love the Heaven into you. I chose the latter.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:43 pm to The First Cut
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Jesus's message has been twisted into this fear based crap of being saved or burn
There are some churches that try to scare the hell out of you. There are some churches that try to love the Heaven into you. I chose the latter.
I love when girls let me love the heaven into them
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:50 pm to kingbob
It's funny how a fossil discovery will turn into a religious debate, like clockwork.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:56 pm to TheIndulger
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It's funny how a fossil discovery will turn into a religious debate, like clockwork.
It's not really funny; it's ridiculous. Everyone is ready to pounce on each other when news like this breaks. The two are not mutually exclusive; it amazes me how many people see it that way.
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