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Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:02 pm to BigEdLSU
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The Bible tells us that even the very hairs of our head are numbered.
That's incredibly sad if you needed the Bible to tell you that.
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How special we are! God created an unfathomable expanse of universe and yet we are the only life
How incredibly naive and narcissistic of you to think that.
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That should be a red flag to an atheist. Where are the aliens?
That's like a Siberian in the middle of the Tundra asking where Great White Sharks are about 10,000 years ago. He's never seen them, and they haven't visited him, so he concludes they don't exist.
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:06 pm to OMLandshark
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How special we are! God created an unfathomable expanse of universe and yet we are the only life
How incredibly naive and narcissistic of you to think that.
I disagree with Earth being the only life in the universe. However, I do agree with his assessment that life itself is precious, a gift, and that we (all intelligent life) are special creations of God, created for a reason, to reason.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:10 pm to BigEdLSU
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can provide such a joy and a peace that would make it really hard to turn down.
So you already lived forever with god and are back reporting to us, or are you just telling me what you as a person believe?
Because all religions offer empty promises, you can have faith and believe in them if you wish. But eternal happiness is to me no different than Muslims promising 72 virgins.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:11 pm to kingbob
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I fail to see how one's special-ness in this context would be dependent on their location.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:12 pm to kingbob
You are right. I did come across a bit dickish in my response to Big Ed. I was raised Catholic and attended Catholic schools from k-college. I took several comp religion courses as well as Catholic theology courses. I have no problem with anyone beliefs. I do take issue with those that try to inject creationism into science classrooms.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:16 pm to Jim Rockford
more guessing. These guys are worse than yec. Why not just say you don't know?
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:20 pm to BigEdLSU
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Why is it hard to grasp? You have to understand, God is holy. He is pure love. God can not change his mind, he's right from the beginning. He can not be both holy and associated with sin.
I dont understand how a being that created the entire universe could be so insecure that he would commmit act of genocide against the human race. Jesus is so unlike the OT god.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:21 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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For the rest of us rational folks, this is seen as a sharpening of our knowledge...like going from flat, to spherical, to oblate spheroid when describing the earth as we got better and better at measuring it.
You are better than this.....
Folks didn't believe the world was flat. That was a fictional story written in the 1800s.
The fact is that they calculated pretty damn closely the circumference of the earth in the BC era.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:21 pm to kingbob
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I disagree with Earth being the only life in the universe. However, I do agree with his assessment that life itself is precious, a gift, and that we (all intelligent life) are special creations of God, created for a reason, to reason.
He said "Only life in the whole universe". That's what is narcissistic. Seriously this is how far our radio signals have traveled total:
And that is so far our furthest signals, and no other alien life form would have been able to find us before that (at least consciously looking for other intelligent life).
Plus what makes you think the aliens would want to put up with is? We're a pretty violent species and it probably wouldn't end well for all involved.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:31 pm to ThuperThumpin
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I dont understand how a being that created the entire universe could be so insecure that he would commmit act of genocide against the human race. Jesus is so unlike the OT god.
God, like most fathers, mellowed out after he had a kid.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:33 pm to OMLandshark
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Plus what makes you think the aliens would want to put up with is? We're a pretty violent species and it probably wouldn't end well for all involved.
Do you even Star Trek bro. We're the least violent species out there.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:35 pm to BigEdLSU
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My major at LSU was astrology
Lying is a sin.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:36 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Jesus is so unlike the OT god
Are you saying Jesus isn't 6'-7", a billionaire, lives in a 20,000 sf mansion, has a perfect ACT score, has an infinity IQ, and bangs OT-10 sluts on the reg simply by driving up to a club full of them (since the OT 10 is practically a unicorn so an entire club full of them must be in unicorn land) in a lamberghini, and opening up the suicide doors while hundred dollar bills flutter out the door as he points to his perfect 8 pack abs. She, of course, surrenders to his inherit superior masculinity and proceeds to pleasure him while he drives off at 200 mph without a speeding ticket because he lawyered that shite.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:36 pm to OMLandshark
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He said "Only life in the whole universe". That's what is narcissistic. Seriously this is how far our radio signals have traveled total:
exactly. Nearly a hundred years of radio signals and the furthest oe has traveled is just a tiny speck in our galaxy.
I doubt we are the only life in the milky way. Then on top of that there are BILLIONS of galaxies, with Quadrillions of stars.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:36 pm to kingbob
How would Jews at the time of Christ understood this sacfrice to begin with. They did not fear hell or were looking for a messiah to save them from it were they? As I understand it they were looking for a war messiah.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:38 pm to kingbob
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Are you saying Jesus isn't 6'-7", a billionaire, lives in a 20,000 sf mansion, has a perfect ACT score, has an infinity IQ, and bangs OT-10 sluts on the reg simply by driving up to a club full of them (since the OT 10 is practically a unicorn so an entire club full of them must be in unicorn land) in a lamberghini, and opening up the suicide doors while hundred dollar bills flutter out the door as he points to his perfect 8 pack abs. She, of course, surrenders to his inherit superior masculinity and proceeds to pleasure him while he drives off at 200 mph without a speeding ticket because he lawyered that shite.
I meant old testament
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:52 pm to ThuperThumpin
You would be correct in stating that they were looking for a messiah. The Jews were promised a kingdom of their own and they were looking to God for a savior to free them from Roman rule. However, they did not realize that God was speaking of an eternal kingdom in the afterlife ruled by The Father, rather than a terrestrial Kingdom in the Levant ruled by men. The Jews had already had one Messiah in the writings of the prophets: King Cyrus the Great of Persia, who freed the Jews from captivity in Babylon.
John the Baptist had been preaching throughout the region for decades that the messiah was coming. Jesus's first coming created the Kingdom of God in Heaven. His return will be as the military messiah to create that Heaven on Earth during the End Times as discussed in Revelations.
Personally, I'm not big on Revelations. I see it as more of an abstract commentary on current events in the region at the time it was written rather than a prophesy. John of Patmos had been exiled there by the Romans during the Jewish Revolt in order to suppress his writings in support of the Revolutionaries. After exile, he decided to write more in a style that his target audience would understand, but that the Romans would write off as harmless religious writings. The Jews thought they had their "military messiah" in Rebel leader Bar Kochpah, which translates to "Son of the Star". He lead the Jewish forces to victory in several battles, eradicating an entire legion of Rome's best troops and completely liberating Jerusalem for a time. However, his pride was his fall. When he began attributing his battlefield successes to his own brilliance rather than the will of God, the grace of God left him and he never defeated the Romans again in battle. You know, that or the Romans dispatching a bunch more legions to crush the revolt
John the Baptist had been preaching throughout the region for decades that the messiah was coming. Jesus's first coming created the Kingdom of God in Heaven. His return will be as the military messiah to create that Heaven on Earth during the End Times as discussed in Revelations.
Personally, I'm not big on Revelations. I see it as more of an abstract commentary on current events in the region at the time it was written rather than a prophesy. John of Patmos had been exiled there by the Romans during the Jewish Revolt in order to suppress his writings in support of the Revolutionaries. After exile, he decided to write more in a style that his target audience would understand, but that the Romans would write off as harmless religious writings. The Jews thought they had their "military messiah" in Rebel leader Bar Kochpah, which translates to "Son of the Star". He lead the Jewish forces to victory in several battles, eradicating an entire legion of Rome's best troops and completely liberating Jerusalem for a time. However, his pride was his fall. When he began attributing his battlefield successes to his own brilliance rather than the will of God, the grace of God left him and he never defeated the Romans again in battle. You know, that or the Romans dispatching a bunch more legions to crush the revolt
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:55 pm to Volvagia
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Folks didn't believe the world was flat. That was a fictional story written in the 1800s.
Truth!
painting from 13th century
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:06 pm to kingbob
So how did Christ's message of salvation from hell resonate with Jews who really did not believe in hell in the first place. I was taught in my theology classes that his message was more practical. Sinning in 1st century palestine was serious and would bring shame and poverty to your family. Jesus's message of the forgiveness of sins gave hope to those who were marked as sinner not salvation from hell. Anytime I bring this up to evangelicals I get the usual bible beat down.
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