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re: 2 billion year old fossils of multicellular life forms discovered
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:57 pm to LucasP
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:57 pm to LucasP
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If I catch you praying for me you will be having an arse-kicking coming your way. I'm not fricking around bro, you pray for me you better pray for some health insurance too, cause I will stomp a mudhole in your arse.
It's not your fault Will. It's not your fault. It's not your fault. It's not your fault.
Prayers sent.
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Posted on 6/23/14 at 3:05 pm to kingbob
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Jesus's message of Heaven and Hell resonated with the poor
So the heaven and hell terminalogy he used was not metaphorical? I studied all this years ago but dont remember. My professor was a Jesuit who studied from the greek text.It was extremely interesting stuff and made me see Jesus in a very different light
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 6/23/14 at 3:14 pm to ThuperThumpin
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made me see Jesus
you've seen jesus?
Posted on 6/23/14 at 3:16 pm to TheIndulger
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It's funny how a fossil discovery will turn into a religious debate, like clockwork.
It's why it's best to keep science and religion separate. Religion too often serves to just delay and derail scientific progress.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 3:16 pm to ThuperThumpin
Heaven and hell were not metaphors. Heaven and Hell were the destinations in the afterlife. Prior to Jesus's death, all people went to Hell due to their sins which ll included original sin (this is Catholicism 101). Not the worst part of Hell, but still hell. Because he was born free of original sin and lived a life free of unrepentant sin, Jesus, after his descent into hell, freed the good souls there who were there only because of original sin and they were allowed to ascend to the Kingdom of Heaven. Rather than Jesus following them to heaven immediately, he returned to Earth, rose from the dead, and spent 40 days on earth before Ascending to Heaven with the promise that he would one day return to build the physical Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.
Not sure exactly how I feel about all of it, but that's the meat of the subject. Personally, I'm conflicted due to the fact that the bible never mentions purgatory, but it seems like something I "want" to be true. Purgatory of course being the place where most should go when they die where they prey until they can atone for all of their sins and eventually make it into heave. It's kinda like an Amnesty program for citizenship in Heaven. There's a waiting period and you have to wait in a certain area, but good people who aren't perfect can make it in. Hell would therefore only be reserved for the worst of the worst. Those who do evil for evil's sake, hypocrites, "ends justify the means" types, and those who at their death still deny God despite getting a choice in the afterlife. I don't know, I'm just kind of rambling now.
Not sure exactly how I feel about all of it, but that's the meat of the subject. Personally, I'm conflicted due to the fact that the bible never mentions purgatory, but it seems like something I "want" to be true. Purgatory of course being the place where most should go when they die where they prey until they can atone for all of their sins and eventually make it into heave. It's kinda like an Amnesty program for citizenship in Heaven. There's a waiting period and you have to wait in a certain area, but good people who aren't perfect can make it in. Hell would therefore only be reserved for the worst of the worst. Those who do evil for evil's sake, hypocrites, "ends justify the means" types, and those who at their death still deny God despite getting a choice in the afterlife. I don't know, I'm just kind of rambling now.
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 6/23/14 at 3:24 pm to Ross
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It's funny how a fossil discovery will turn into a religious debate, like clockwork.
It's why it's best to keep science and religion separate. Religion too often serves to just delay and derail scientific progress.
It was snarky on the first 2 pages, but it really turned into a pretty pleasant derail after that about the origins of faith and the philosophy behind it. Pretty enlightening thread.
It never fails though. Someone posts cool science article. D-bag internet atheists and evangelicals come in fishing for trolls and post offensive, snarky comments ridiculing the other side. Crazy "Christian" (or just some random troll trying to poke fun at Christians) comes in claiming the Earth is 2000 years old some bull shite, the Atheists rip him apart (understandably), and all of the reasonable people get ignored while one evangelical white knights for Christianity while the thread turns into a pissing match between him and all of the atheists. Thankfully, that didn't actually happen in this thread.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 3:42 pm to kingbob
It's been pleasant discussion but I do stand by my original dbag internet atheist(not really an atheist) comment. I dont see the point in trying to answer scientific questions through scripture. Scripture has the answers(or their version of it). Science is still looking
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 6/23/14 at 3:54 pm to ThuperThumpin
I think the best way to sum up the debate between Christians and Scientists, particularly the factions of each that believe the two to be irreconcilable and mutually exclusive, is the phrase from the great philosopher, Socrates, who said "As for me, all I know is that I know nothing." In the end, that's all any one of us knows with any certainty.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 4:04 pm to LucasP
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LucasP
The only thing funnier than the troll posts are the reactions to them.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 4:14 pm to Mung
Any believers in this thread, feel free to read my sig. Faith limits spiritual growth, as backwards as that sounds.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 4:16 pm to BigEdLSU
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You are saved by faith, not works. It's now about how much good you do.
well that system sucks.
So a murdered with faith is saved and a good atheist burns?
Thats why I choose not to believe in myths.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 4:18 pm to ThuperThumpin
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It seems to me that Jesus's message has been twisted into this fear based crap of being saved or burn.
yep
This image sums it up 100%
Posted on 6/23/14 at 4:24 pm to Napoleon
Posted on 6/23/14 at 4:58 pm to Jim Rockford
I find this article hard to believe. Wasn't there a scientific consensus? I'm pretty sure this group of scientists are deniers. Likely funded by big ...
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:07 pm to Napoleon
Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:32 am to LucasP
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LucasP
If I catch you praying for me you will be having an arse-kicking coming your way. I'm not fricking around bro, you pray for me you better pray for some health insurance too, cause I will stomp a mudhole in your arse.
Prayers already answered - Obamacare!!
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:47 am to Napoleon
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well that system sucks. So a murdered with faith is saved and a good atheist burns?
That makes you no different than the God hates figs crowd. You are a sinner, you contribute to the brokenness of the world, yet you think that you're better than another sinner. You are not.
God loves you and wants you in spite of this and you think that sucks because someone not as good as you think you are is loved too. The funny thing is that atheists like to call Christian narcissists. What is more narcissistic that this?
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