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What is the max you will offer Boogie to keep him?
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:59 am
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:59 am
What is your cut off point?
2+1 Max? 3 Year Max? 4 years? 5? Less than the max.
I firmly believe that someone is going to offer him a max, it just depends on the years. If DJ opts in and Capella stays in Houston, Dallas can offer a 4 year max.
Would you match that? Offer a 5th year?
2+1 Max? 3 Year Max? 4 years? 5? Less than the max.
I firmly believe that someone is going to offer him a max, it just depends on the years. If DJ opts in and Capella stays in Houston, Dallas can offer a 4 year max.
Would you match that? Offer a 5th year?
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:12 am to whatiknowsofar
2+1 max which from Boogie's perspective is basically a 3 year max.
I'm still skeptical Dallas would offer him a 4 year max. Boogie and Carlisle would kill each other and they've already been burned by paying a bunch of money to a guy with an achilles issue. Are they really going down that road again?
I'm still skeptical Dallas would offer him a 4 year max. Boogie and Carlisle would kill each other and they've already been burned by paying a bunch of money to a guy with an achilles issue. Are they really going down that road again?
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:19 am to Fun Bunch
2+1
If Dallas is willing to offer max, I'll offer a sign and trade. If not he can walk and we can figure it out down the line.
If Dallas is willing to offer max, I'll offer a sign and trade. If not he can walk and we can figure it out down the line.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:23 am to LesGeaux45
2+1 (Team Option) +1(Player Option)
1st 2 years of deal slightly less than max with realistic incentives for Boogie to attempt to hit. 3rd year, increase in pay with less incentives but Team has option. Fourth year, obviously if Boogie got to his 4th year with us, he would have proven to overcome the injury and would receive the max for that year, but would be his option.
I believe this is the fairest deal to both sides and preserves both sides best interest.
1st 2 years of deal slightly less than max with realistic incentives for Boogie to attempt to hit. 3rd year, increase in pay with less incentives but Team has option. Fourth year, obviously if Boogie got to his 4th year with us, he would have proven to overcome the injury and would receive the max for that year, but would be his option.
I believe this is the fairest deal to both sides and preserves both sides best interest.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:23 am to LesGeaux45
Does anyone know how his recovery is going?
I'm.not throwing 30 million down the rat hole if he can't play season opener at 100%.
The max 1+1 lets him have a year to heal and walk if he wants. If you give 4 years and he can't play much. You doom franchise.
If there's doubt if he gets 100% back, I do not sign him.
I'm.not throwing 30 million down the rat hole if he can't play season opener at 100%.
The max 1+1 lets him have a year to heal and walk if he wants. If you give 4 years and he can't play much. You doom franchise.
If there's doubt if he gets 100% back, I do not sign him.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:29 am to CelticDog
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Does anyone know how his recovery is going?
Demps said last night that it was "on schedule". Boogie has claimed that he did not lose hardly any muscle mass or strength in the leg which seems like a good sign. He's posted some video clips of him doing rehab and looking fine doing that, but side steps in resistance bands and running on the treadmill don't really tell you much with regards to the movements the injury might hinder.
I'd offer him up to 4/$100ish on a 3+1 if I felt comfortable with his recovery. If Dallas goes after him I just don't see them going all in. Jrue technically got offered more by Indy last year, 2/$58, but since the Pels offered him 5 years he stayed. I think if Dallas or the Lakers went after him they wouldn't offer much more than 2/$60.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 10:30 am
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:46 am to htran90
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If not he can walk
If we end up getting nothing in return for Boogie, after giving up 2 first round picks and only having him for ~1 season, then Dell needs to be fired.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:49 am to Broski
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If we end up getting nothing in return for Boogie
Yeah, Boogie shouldn't be allowed to walk for nothing. At the very least you pay Dallas/Los Angeles cash and/or a 2nd to do it as a S&T. If you can't convince AD to be the starting center next to Niko then use the trade exception to take Gortat since Washington is giving him away. Maybe get them to throw in Satoransky since you're doing them a favor.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:19 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Thought I read that Dallas did not have the room to offer him the max. Although I guess if they really wanted him, they could find a way to make some room.
What is your cut off point?
2+1 Max? 3 Year Max? 4 years? 5? Less than the max.
I firmly believe that someone is going to offer him a max, it just depends on the years. If DJ opts in and Capella stays in Houston, Dallas can offer a 4 year max.
Would you match that? Offer a 5th year?
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:21 am to Broski
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If we end up getting nothing in return for Boogie, after giving up 2 first round picks and only having him for ~1 season, then Dell needs to be fired
This stems from the Achilles. Not dell’s fault. You can only trade him if there are suitors. His smartest move may be not getting hung up on what he gave up and overpaying him bc of it
And we really didn’t give up that much. You still do that trade every time
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:49 am to Broski
Dell can’t be blamed for a guy tearing his achillies. That’s ridiculous
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:58 am to The_Duke
I don't think it's about blame, it's about making the most of a bad situation. Boogie leaving for nothing and just using the MLE would be a failure IMO. At the very least you need to pay a little to get a trade exception, or you need to make a move like dumping Moore and Ajinca to free up enough cap space to go after someone like Ariza.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 12:02 pm to TigerinATL
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Boogie has claimed that he did not lose hardly any muscle mass or strength in the leg which seems like a good sign. He's posted some video clips of him doing rehab and looking fine doing that, but side steps in resistance bands and running on the treadmill don't really tell you much with regards to the movements the injury might hinder.
In that video of him running on the treadmill you can clearly see his left calf is noticeably smaller. I think he was blowing smoke a bit with that docs say I am doing amazing.
I saw something interesting proposed elsewhere and think I would follow a version of that:
I would offer $75M spread evenly over 3 years with $10M guaranteed in year 3 and a player option. If Boogie returns to his old self then he opts out after two years for a bigger contract and the Pels got a discount. If Boogie does not come back right, then the Pels can just walk away paying him $60M (roughly his max) for those 2 years.
This gives the Pelicans flexibility when AD's supermax kicks in.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 6/22/18 at 12:17 pm to NOSHAU
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Thought I read that Dallas did not have the room to offer him the max. Although I guess if they really wanted him, they could find a way to make some room.
Without any moves (other than rescinding all of their free agents) they can only offer about 24 mil in the first year of a deal. They could bump that up to a little over 26 if they got rid of Barea, which could be cheap. Otherwise they'd have to find a way to get off of Matthews (18 mil) or Powell (9 mil), which won't be cheap and they already don't have their pick next season.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 12:21 pm to Epic Cajun
If they can't easily get to $30 it sounds like this is Boogie's agent using the Mavs in hopes of getting more than 3 years from the Pels then. I say just call his bluff.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 12:22 pm to TigerinATL
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I don't think it's about blame, it's about making the most of a bad situation. Boogie leaving for nothing and just using the MLE would be a failure IMO.
If Dell's options are paying Cousins the max (or close to it) or letting him walk. I'm letting him walk. If he walks, I think Dell will make another move (not just use the MLE).
Posted on 6/22/18 at 12:25 pm to Epic Cajun
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I think Dell will make another move (not just use the MLE).
I do too, he's always been active. I was just saying Cousins leaving for "nothing" shouldn't be acceptable since him leaving creates some other paths you can take.
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