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re: What is the max you will offer Boogie to keep him?
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:46 pm to cgrand
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:46 pm to cgrand
Thank you. Your response made the most sense of any I have seen so far and I will acquiesce to most of that. No doubt circumstances have changed. I'm just trying to illustrate that it isn't fair or normal to cheat a guy because of an injury, especially a freak one. The OP is exactly about how much less you can pay for the guy now. Its kind of F'd up. I don't get how people are rooting for him or are fans of his, but at the same time want to get over on him or rip him off. Its weird.
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Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:52 pm to brmark70816
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I'm just trying to illustrate that it isn't fair or normal to cheat a guy because of an injury, especially a freak one.
lolwat
Business isn't fair and no one is cheating anyone. Injuries are a part of sports, and injuries change players. Until a contract is signed, either party can back up and change the parameters.
Are you suggesting that if a team said during a season "Hey we want you back next year and are willing to do whatever it takes" and then that player has a career ending injury...the team should still pay him?
Of course not, it is absurd.
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Its kind of F'd up. I don't get how people are rooting for him or are fans of his, but at the same time want to get over on him or rip him off. Its weird.
We are fans of the team. If Boogie left I wouldn't spend another second thinking about him.
We want the team to get the best deal possible for the TEAM. There are actual, real, long-lasting implications on how much we pay players this offseason due to the LuxTax/Repeater tax.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:52 pm to brmark70816
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The OP is exactly about how much less you can pay for the guy now. Its kind of F'd up. I don't get how people are rooting for him or are fans of his, but at the same time want to get over on him or rip him off. Its weird.
No one wants to rip him off, but if the Pels pay more than market value for him, they are ripping themselves off. I think most people think that a 2+1 at around 70-80 mil is fair for both sides. If he's healthy, he can opt out after two seasons and actually sign a max contract that is worth more than the max that he could have signed this offseason.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:54 pm to Epic Cajun
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If he's healthy, he can opt out after two seasons and actually sign a max contract that is worth more than the max that he could have signed this offseason.
right, and if thats with some other team, que sera
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:55 pm to Epic Cajun
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No one wants to rip him off
Speak for yourself
If the Pels offer it and he's willing to take it, it means that no other team has offered more, the market has set itself, and no one is getting ripped off.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 4:03 pm to brmark70816
One other factor in this is the lesson of Asik. After the season it started coming out in the local media that the Asik contract very nearly cost Demps his job. It sounds like if he hadn't turned Asik into Mirotic, even if the Pels made the playoffs we could be looking at Demps fired and Gentry still around.
I doubt Demps wants to endanger his job security again by over-committing to Cousins. In this case, as it was with Asik, length is probably a much bigger issue than the amount each year.
I doubt Demps wants to endanger his job security again by over-committing to Cousins. In this case, as it was with Asik, length is probably a much bigger issue than the amount each year.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 4:03 pm to Fun Bunch
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@BobbyMarks42
The most amount spent in the luxury tax was 2002-03 when 16 teams spent a total of $173M. We could see that total double in 2018-19 with only 10 teams.
Pels could be passing up a roughly $9M distribution to be a taxpayer if they max him.
This post was edited on 6/25/18 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 6/25/18 at 4:09 pm to Fun Bunch
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Speak for yourself
Maybe I should have worded that differently.
He's not going to get ripped off, because he's going to take the deal that makes the most sense for him. Barring collusion, this would be his "market value", thus he isn't getting ripped off. The Pels want to pay him the least amount possible that he will accept, which is the way most businesses work
Posted on 6/25/18 at 4:20 pm to Fun Bunch
Do me a favor. Name me a top 10ish NBA player in the prime of his career that took a discount because of injury..
Sorry, or only got offered a lower contract due to injury..
Sorry, or only got offered a lower contract due to injury..
This post was edited on 6/25/18 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 6/25/18 at 4:22 pm to brmark70816
that’s an excellent question
I’m sure there’s an answer but it’s very rare
this is undoubtedly an unusual perhaps unprecedented situation which is why it can’t be dealt with or discussed in absolutes
I’m sure there’s an answer but it’s very rare
this is undoubtedly an unusual perhaps unprecedented situation which is why it can’t be dealt with or discussed in absolutes
Posted on 6/25/18 at 4:28 pm to NOFOX
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The NBA has raised the available credit line to owners to $325 million, which is a $75 million increase. The move by the NBA could soften the impact of higher team payrolls and luxury tax penalties next season. The Board of Governors unanimously passed the increased debt limit in a vote on Friday.
i was not aware there was a credit pool
Posted on 6/25/18 at 4:35 pm to cgrand
IIRC Shinn had already kind of maxed out his credit with the league when the Hornets had to be taken over.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 5:40 pm to brmark70816
Name me a top 10 player who tore his Achilles or had what many consider a very unfavorable injury that signed a max and it was worth it.
You quote Dwight after back injuries, yet he's not close to the player he once was and now on his 3rd team since. Worth it? Nope.
I love boogie, many on here can quote how I honestly think he's gonna return to a good enough form that he's gonna still contribute. But even I wouldn't offer him a max because the risk is way too high otherwise. Something has to give, either the length of the total value. Give him the max and you're bidding against yourself.
Let the market decide his value and go from there. That's what we did with jrue and he took less per year in favor of length. If it pisses him off, so be it. That's the reality of it. If he's healthy, he's getting maxed. But that's the thing, he isn't.
And talking about AD is different. He's your cornerstone and untouchable. Unless it's a patellar injury, I'm still super maxing him.
You quote Dwight after back injuries, yet he's not close to the player he once was and now on his 3rd team since. Worth it? Nope.
I love boogie, many on here can quote how I honestly think he's gonna return to a good enough form that he's gonna still contribute. But even I wouldn't offer him a max because the risk is way too high otherwise. Something has to give, either the length of the total value. Give him the max and you're bidding against yourself.
Let the market decide his value and go from there. That's what we did with jrue and he took less per year in favor of length. If it pisses him off, so be it. That's the reality of it. If he's healthy, he's getting maxed. But that's the thing, he isn't.
And talking about AD is different. He's your cornerstone and untouchable. Unless it's a patellar injury, I'm still super maxing him.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 6:01 pm to brmark70816
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Do me a favor. Name me a top 10ish NBA player in the prime of his career that took a discount because of injury..
Do me a favor. Stop.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 6:27 pm to Epic Cajun
I’m listening to the Mock offseason that Duncan and Leroux do every year and they had Cousins signing a 3 year 70 mil deal, with the last year not guaranteed. Would fap. In their scenario the Pels were between trying to figure out a Cousins/Porter sign and trade and the Pels just keeping him at that price. The Wizards and Clippers (S&T for Jordan) were the only teams interested in Cousins.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 7:23 pm to Fun Bunch
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I used to think he was just a dude with extremely weird and/or purposefully divisive opinions.
I'm starting to think its possible he is just a really really good troll that keeps things pretty subtle.
There’s this weird phenomenon on TD where idiot posters consistently get labeled genius trolls by people. It’s baffling. It’s literally contained to this site. I’ve never seen it elsewhere. Guys, some people just have really stupid opinions.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 8:21 pm to ShamelessPel
That is just a douche thing to say. I haven't called anybody names or attacked anyone. All I'm doing is discussing something I enjoy and getting different points of view. I'm not high and mighty, declaring that I am right. I'm wrong all the time. Just ignore me if it really bothers you that much. Or keeping calling me names, really doesn't matter..
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:14 am to brmark70816
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@Schultz_Report
Per NBA source, the #Mavericks are a contender for #Celtics’ RFA Marcus Smart, but it “depends on price.”
So it looks like every agent is going to be using Mavs' "interest" to get more $$$ this offseason. They have been linked to Smart, Boogie, Deandre, Gortat, Randle, and Capela.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:20 am to NOFOX
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So it looks like every agent is going to be using Mavs' "interest" to get more $$$ this offseason
and every one of the other half dozen teams with cap space...i'd expect to see IND linked to every FA soon
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:27 am to cgrand
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and every one of the other half dozen teams with cap space...i'd expect to see IND linked to every FA soon
To an extent, but there is just so little cap space this summer and most other teams seem to have defined plans for that space going forward while the Mavs supposedly just want to spend to win with Dirk. So it is easier to project players onto the Mavs roster.
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