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re: If We Sign Holiday, What Next?
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:29 am to Crewz
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:29 am to Crewz
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The Cavs have two very good, very highly paid bigs and they can't have them both on the fooor.
That's because one of them can't shoot and the other can't play defense
I'm starting to really like the idea of Rubio, it's been too long since this team has had a playmaker like that.
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Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:31 am to Jon1798
Yeah-- it's a hard comparison to make perfectly because there are 22 starters as compared to 5
But the point remains--- bigs can only have so much impact right now and it will be this way until they push the three point line back to 25 or more feet. Which they should do BTW.
Look at the final four teams left this year. Maybe one good traditional big (Love) among them and he has become a massive defensive liability in the Finals
It's great that the Pels have two elite bigs. But I might rather have one elite perimeter guy. I think a roster with Harden and 11 average players would win more than a roster with AD/Boogie and 10 average players in this new NBA
But the point remains--- bigs can only have so much impact right now and it will be this way until they push the three point line back to 25 or more feet. Which they should do BTW.
Look at the final four teams left this year. Maybe one good traditional big (Love) among them and he has become a massive defensive liability in the Finals
It's great that the Pels have two elite bigs. But I might rather have one elite perimeter guy. I think a roster with Harden and 11 average players would win more than a roster with AD/Boogie and 10 average players in this new NBA
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:32 am to PelicansBay
Wait so you intentionally linked your Amazon page to your post? Is that what TD has become? A plug for people's business ventures?
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:35 am to Crewz
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It's great that the Pels have two elite bigs. But I might rather have one elite perimeter guy. I think a roster with Harden and 11 average players would win more than a roster with AD/Boogie and 10 average players in this new NBA
You're probably right, there's only so much impact you can have on a game if you aren't a primary ball handler. Having an elite primary ball handler is key (whether that player be a guard or wing).
Posted on 6/7/17 at 10:30 am to Epic Cajun
I think the FB comparison would make sense if we were talking about two guys like Drummond that have an old school back to the basket game.
However, AD and Boogie have a much wider skill set than that (although Boogie can play that type of game if need be) and can shoot with range and handle the ball a little. And neither is a poor FT shooter that you have to take off the court in close games.
I understand the point though that neither can create on their own on a consistent basis and need a playmaking guard to get them the ball to really excel. It would certainly be better if one of them was an elite wing.
However, AD and Boogie have a much wider skill set than that (although Boogie can play that type of game if need be) and can shoot with range and handle the ball a little. And neither is a poor FT shooter that you have to take off the court in close games.
I understand the point though that neither can create on their own on a consistent basis and need a playmaking guard to get them the ball to really excel. It would certainly be better if one of them was an elite wing.
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 10:31 am
Posted on 6/7/17 at 10:47 am to Crewz
What do you think would be more effective in reducing the amount of three points taken, increasing the 3Pt line to 25 feet or allowing players to hand check again?
Posted on 6/7/17 at 10:54 am to Pelicans8
Three point line going out to 25 feet would reduce it drastically. Hand checking won't matter much because so many three point attempts are created by someone else
Posted on 6/7/17 at 11:25 am to Crewz
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Three point line going out to 25 feet
So you just kill the corner 3? It's hard to imagine putting the 3 point genie back in the bottle.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:28 pm to Epic Cajun
Watching the finals, nobody thinks the Warriors are winning because they are more imposing physically than the Cavs? Cleveland is undersized in the post, Tristan is a PF (so is Love), the Cavs don't have a true C on the roster. They tried to fix that by signing Bogut, but he was immediately injured. McGee and Pachulia have made a bigger impact than Tristan. The Cavs have no rim protection. If Cleveland had Whiteside instead of Tristan, things would be totally different.
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:44 pm to PelicansBay
Yeah the biggest issue I've seen is lack of rim protection which is allowing the warriors to get out and run and dictate space. Low defensive IQ does that.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:48 pm to TigerinATL
It was fun to watch Tiger bomb it 340 but they added distance to courses and it let to more parity and a better product
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:10 pm to BallHawk
its not even low defensive IQ. the Cavs defense was pretty darn good v the east playing Thompson/Love a good bit.
the problem is unique to GS. they go small and they have Kevin Durant and Draymond Green as their frontcourt. that's insane length, speed, rim protection, and versatility on defense. there aren't many teams able to punish that duo on a regular basis on defense. heck, Green didn't even play half the game last time out and Durant dominated defensively as a 5.
and there is no team in the league that can guard that frontcourt. so you can't defend them and beating them for points isn't easy either. it is the ideal of the position-less/small ball revolution. goosed up offense without sacrificing much at all on defense.
the Cavs have a potent version of that themselves, but just can't compete with the Warriors new Death lineup
the problem is unique to GS. they go small and they have Kevin Durant and Draymond Green as their frontcourt. that's insane length, speed, rim protection, and versatility on defense. there aren't many teams able to punish that duo on a regular basis on defense. heck, Green didn't even play half the game last time out and Durant dominated defensively as a 5.
and there is no team in the league that can guard that frontcourt. so you can't defend them and beating them for points isn't easy either. it is the ideal of the position-less/small ball revolution. goosed up offense without sacrificing much at all on defense.
the Cavs have a potent version of that themselves, but just can't compete with the Warriors new Death lineup
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:18 pm to Crewz
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more parity and a better product
to me, that's an overreaction to a one time fluke of the cap spike and the fact that there is little parity ever in playoff basketball. it often comes down to who has the best guy in the series.
pushing the line back probably won't change as much as we might think- the Rockets already have shooters standing 3-4 feet beyond the line. and it won't affect Curry much at all.
i dont believe the spacing genie can be put back in the lamp unless they just want to basically eliminate the 3pt line.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:33 pm to corndeaux
I don't care about who is winning. I care about HOW the game is being played. It has basically become a chuckers league
The three point shot when it was first instituted was rarely taken because it wasn't a shot that was practiced and guys didn't have the range. This generation grew up practicing it so it is time to move it back so it has its original INTENTION -- and that is to reward a much harder, riskier shot
The three point shot when it was first instituted was rarely taken because it wasn't a shot that was practiced and guys didn't have the range. This generation grew up practicing it so it is time to move it back so it has its original INTENTION -- and that is to reward a much harder, riskier shot
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:24 pm to Crewz
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I care about HOW the game is being played. It has basically become a chuckers league
things evolve. sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. im not sure there is a convincing argument that the 3pt shot has ruined the quality of play.
now, if you have an aesthetic objection, that is fair. beauty in the eye of the beholder and all that. it is a radical evolution- size/strength just may not be the sine qua non in the NBA any more. i'm okay with that, but i understand if people arent
eta- and if you want parity, the 3pt shot is a great way to achieve it. the power of the shot and it's volatility can quickly change a game
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:27 pm to corndeaux
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to me, that's an overreaction to a one time fluke of the cap spike and the fact that there is little parity ever in playoff basketball.
Overreaction or not, despite the good ratings TNT and ESPN can't be happy with the Warriors and Cavs sweeping everyone. Playoff Games = Inventory
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:15 pm to Crewz
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It was fun to watch Tiger bomb it 340 but they added distance to courses and it let to more parity and a better product
Based on revenue and ratings, that's not true. Golf was at it's peak popularity/profitability over the last 25 years when Tiger was dominating and setting course records.
They started making these 7000+ yd courses to "Tiger-proof". (Erin Hills is going to play 7800 yds next week) Instead of limiting the technology and adjusting rough/greens, they lenghthened the courses and changed the way the game is played. Many short game players were essentially eliminated from competition with the new courses while others had to focus too much on driving.
Move the line back to 25' and the Warriors/Rockets probably gain an advantage because they are exceptional at distance. The disparity between them and the middle of the pack shooting teams will grow. Do you keep moving the line back until the top shooting teams pps from perimeter is essentially equal to a mid-range?
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:21 pm to NOFOX
I don't mind the elite shooters having even more of an advantage. They deserve it.
But if AD can make the 3 at 34%, it makes sense for him to take a bunch and that's dumb. That just isn't how he should play-- a once in a generation athlete like that. Move it back to 25 and he shoots 18% and never takes them. Ibaka never ruins his career by taking a ton and so on and so on
You keep the line there and the trend of 3point rate continues to go up. By 2020, we will have teams attempting more 3's per game than 2's
You wanna watch that product? Cause I don't
But if AD can make the 3 at 34%, it makes sense for him to take a bunch and that's dumb. That just isn't how he should play-- a once in a generation athlete like that. Move it back to 25 and he shoots 18% and never takes them. Ibaka never ruins his career by taking a ton and so on and so on
You keep the line there and the trend of 3point rate continues to go up. By 2020, we will have teams attempting more 3's per game than 2's
You wanna watch that product? Cause I don't
Posted on 6/7/17 at 4:07 pm to Crewz
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But if AD can make the 3 at 34%, it makes sense for him to take a bunch and that's dumb. That just isn't how he should play-- a once in a generation athlete like that. Move it back to 25 and he shoots 18% and never takes them. Ibaka never ruins his career by taking a ton and so on and so on
Big men want to shoot like guards now because that is what is popular and banging down low sucks. There is no reason that AD should shoot 3's now. He shot 29.9% from 3. He also took 348 shots from 16'-22.9', which he should not have taken. AD does what he wants. If they move the line back, AD is just going to start practicing shooting further out.
There really has not been a huge jump in the efficiency of 3 pts taken, just a lot more attempts because teams figured out that it makes sense to take more. I would rather see them reduce the 3 to 2.5 pts if the league continues in this direction. It will never happen because fractional points would cause stupid people too many problems, but it would make 3 pt shots on par with 10-16ft shots in terms of points per attempt for the average player.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 4:15 pm to NOFOX
What I would actually do if I had full control is genius and would be a ton of fun and make coaches really earn their paychecks. Here it is:
The first 20 attempts from behind that arc (same distance) are worth 3 if you make it. After that, every single attempt from any distance is worth 2.
I won't break down all the reasons it is brilliant and makes the game more fun. Let it marinate and really think it out. But that would be my true solution
The first 20 attempts from behind that arc (same distance) are worth 3 if you make it. After that, every single attempt from any distance is worth 2.
I won't break down all the reasons it is brilliant and makes the game more fun. Let it marinate and really think it out. But that would be my true solution
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