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re: If We Sign Holiday, What Next?
Posted on 6/13/17 at 3:10 pm to BallHawk
Posted on 6/13/17 at 3:10 pm to BallHawk
quote:
If the Wolves successfully trade Rubio this offseason, they are expected to pursue a free agent point guard.
This doesn't sound Jrue specific but more "if we can get something of value for Rubio we'll use our cap space to go after the top remaining PGs on the market."
Posted on 6/13/17 at 3:20 pm to TigerinATL
I would think a S&T of Jrue to them would kill both birds with one stone, no?
Posted on 6/13/17 at 3:23 pm to BallHawk
To me losing Jrue and gaining Rubio doesn't really do us a whole lot of good. You've got a guy for a year that maybe can distribute better, but you still have a variety of issues and really wouldn't improve THAT much.
My want would be to pair Jrue and Rubio (obviously that would mean Jrue got less than 25 per and you could make a trade for Rubio work.
My want would be to pair Jrue and Rubio (obviously that would mean Jrue got less than 25 per and you could make a trade for Rubio work.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 3:26 pm to Fun Bunch
By doing that trade we gain a major TPE. We could then target another SG to fill that role.
SG is tougher than PG, mind you, but I think we could get some players.
SG is tougher than PG, mind you, but I think we could get some players.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 3:30 pm to BallHawk
That's true. It also keeps us more flexible in the future, which is a plus.
I'm really not for keeping Jrue for anything more than 22-23 per (and even that is high to me).
I'm really not for keeping Jrue for anything more than 22-23 per (and even that is high to me).
Posted on 6/13/17 at 5:36 pm to Fun Bunch
I hope we keep Jrue, 4 year $92 million seems fair. If someone wants to pay him more than that, I hope we do a sign-and-trade. We can't have him walk for nothing, we have no depth as is. We had 3 roster spots that were revolving doors for 10-day signings,that's not a recipe for success.
If we do a sign-and-trade, we realistically could get someone like: Rubio, Rondo, Tobias, Mudiay, Carmelo. I would rather take my chances short-term with any of those players than to sign Holiday to a 5 year max.
If we do a sign-and-trade, we realistically could get someone like: Rubio, Rondo, Tobias, Mudiay, Carmelo. I would rather take my chances short-term with any of those players than to sign Holiday to a 5 year max.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:37 am to PelicansBay
It's never smart to overpay out of desperation. See Asik, Hill, etc.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 2:34 pm to ghost2most
TBW has an article out this morning regarding Jrue
NBA Free Agency: Hints now point to Jrue Holiday re-signing with the New Orleans Pelicans
This is the part of the article that really gives me pause
If this, in fact, true then Dell is competing against himself again and is now unprepared to walk. Maybe it's the maybe using past history as future plans either way if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...
NBA Free Agency: Hints now point to Jrue Holiday re-signing with the New Orleans Pelicans
This is the part of the article that really gives me pause
quote:
“I think New Orleans is prepared to spend, from what I understand. I think ownership understands the point in time they are with Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins. Even if you don’t look at him as a $30 million point guard, he’s about to head there from what I understand; it will be very close.” Windhorst is one of the more connected NBA writers working for ESPN so listening to him detail the notion that the Pelicans are leaning towards meeting Holiday’s contract demands shows the two parties are no longer far apart on the terms as once presumed.
If this, in fact, true then Dell is competing against himself again and is now unprepared to walk. Maybe it's the maybe using past history as future plans either way if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...
Posted on 6/27/17 at 2:45 pm to BallHawk
quote:
Dell is competing against himself again and is now unprepared to walk.
They created cap space for a reason. I just hope that reason isn't to max Holiday and pay Justin $11 million per.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 2:56 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
They created cap space for a reason.
What cap space did they create?
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:03 pm to NOFOX
I guess I should have said they dumped Frazier for a reason. A precursor to creating cap space.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:08 pm to BallHawk
quote:
Even if you don’t look at him as a $30 million point guard, he’s about to head there from what I understand; it will be very close.”
FML
Anything above 25 for Jrue is fricking abysmal. shite, I think anything above 20 for him isn't great.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:16 am to Fun Bunch
OK, so I have been playing around with potential off-seasons myself for the shits and giggles of it...
Thoughts on this?
Re-sign Jrue Holiday - 4yrs $100m
Re-sign Dante Cunningham - 3yrs $15m
Sign Justin Holiday to a slightly less MLE - 4yr $30m (this helps make room to sign Frank Jackson using exception)
Sign Jonas Jerekbo to BAE - 2yrs $6.5m
Trade E'Twaun Moore, Quincy Pondexter, and a Top 5 Protected First for Evan Fournier & Mario Hezonja (if salary doesn't work then sign Casspi to Vet Min)
Trade Alexis Ajinca & Axel Toupane for Kyle O'Quinn
Jrue Holiday / Quinn Cook / Frank Jackson
Evan Fournier / Justin Holiday / Jordan Crawford
Solomon Hill / Dante Cunningham / Mario Hezonja or Omri Casspi
Anthony Davis / Jonas Jerekbo / Chieck Diallo
DeMarcus Cousins / Kyle O'Quinn / Omer Asik
Pros:
You have multiple lineup options - Jrue can play the 1 or 2, Justin can play the 2 or 3 as can Fournier, if you want to go small Solo or Dante can play the 4...you have shooting with Jrue, Justin, Fournier, Jerekbo...you also have guys that can play offball at guard or on
Cons:
You are now hard capped having used both the MLE and BAE and you have used your last trade chip in your 1st rd pick to enhance roster during season...would still have the TPE from the Buddy/Boogie trade however
Don't know if this is a tax team but I'm pretty sure it's damn close. May have to stretch Asik to avoid it.
Thoughts on this?
Re-sign Jrue Holiday - 4yrs $100m
Re-sign Dante Cunningham - 3yrs $15m
Sign Justin Holiday to a slightly less MLE - 4yr $30m (this helps make room to sign Frank Jackson using exception)
Sign Jonas Jerekbo to BAE - 2yrs $6.5m
Trade E'Twaun Moore, Quincy Pondexter, and a Top 5 Protected First for Evan Fournier & Mario Hezonja (if salary doesn't work then sign Casspi to Vet Min)
Trade Alexis Ajinca & Axel Toupane for Kyle O'Quinn
Jrue Holiday / Quinn Cook / Frank Jackson
Evan Fournier / Justin Holiday / Jordan Crawford
Solomon Hill / Dante Cunningham / Mario Hezonja or Omri Casspi
Anthony Davis / Jonas Jerekbo / Chieck Diallo
DeMarcus Cousins / Kyle O'Quinn / Omer Asik
Pros:
You have multiple lineup options - Jrue can play the 1 or 2, Justin can play the 2 or 3 as can Fournier, if you want to go small Solo or Dante can play the 4...you have shooting with Jrue, Justin, Fournier, Jerekbo...you also have guys that can play offball at guard or on
Cons:
You are now hard capped having used both the MLE and BAE and you have used your last trade chip in your 1st rd pick to enhance roster during season...would still have the TPE from the Buddy/Boogie trade however
Don't know if this is a tax team but I'm pretty sure it's damn close. May have to stretch Asik to avoid it.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 6:18 am
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:22 am to BallHawk
Not bad offseason
I have done math in my head - dumping Asik might not be enough to avoid tax.
this year we must be below tax line. We can go into tax at the earliest with boogie extension.
Tax penalty and repeater tax might not be easy for Benson to swallow...
I have done math in my head - dumping Asik might not be enough to avoid tax.
this year we must be below tax line. We can go into tax at the earliest with boogie extension.
Tax penalty and repeater tax might not be easy for Benson to swallow...
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:24 am to pawel
Jeez - so many wings in Your team...
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:37 am to pawel
Yep. Need them in the modern NBA.
Help me out here assuming those contracts for the Holiday brothers what would their first year salaries be?
Help me out here assuming those contracts for the Holiday brothers what would their first year salaries be?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 7:20 am to BallHawk
that's a one year team though
I don't think you could then re sign cousins and not be a tax team but someone smarter than me would have to do the math
plus Marios deal is coming up
I don't think you could then re sign cousins and not be a tax team but someone smarter than me would have to do the math
plus Marios deal is coming up
Posted on 6/28/17 at 7:22 am to cgrand
Fournier is 17MM for each of the next four BTW
Posted on 6/28/17 at 7:24 am to cgrand
Yeah, for some reason I was thinking Fournier was closer to $12-13m than $17m. That changes things, clearly.
I also like the idea of Jerebko, but I don't want to be hard capped and want to avoid the tax line.
This all points back to why Jrue's $25m contract is more of a hindrance. If you get a Rubio, Bledsoe, Lin who's cap number is far less then you've got more depth and more flexibility. Sure the fit may or may not be as good but they'd make it work versus the overpay that's surely coming.
I also like the idea of Jerebko, but I don't want to be hard capped and want to avoid the tax line.
This all points back to why Jrue's $25m contract is more of a hindrance. If you get a Rubio, Bledsoe, Lin who's cap number is far less then you've got more depth and more flexibility. Sure the fit may or may not be as good but they'd make it work versus the overpay that's surely coming.
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