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re: Greg Monroe rumor

Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:41 pm to
Posted by htran90
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:41 pm to
Mr. Thrillho you are WRONG.

It is going to be

Jrue/Rivers
Reke/Morrow
Deng/scrub
Davis/Ryno
Embiid/Withey

Championship.
Posted by HickfawJim1
Member since Sep 2013
438 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:58 pm to
Well if they are able to flip Gordon for Monroe, it shouldn't be difficult to move Anderson for a 3. The question is who do you target? Jeff Green? Wilson Chandler?
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:01 pm to
While all of this talk of the potential offense with Monroe and a 3&D wing gets me excited, I think and remember that Monty is still our coach and I lose a lot of that excitement.

He'd probably play Monroe 20 minutes a game and find a way to pick Stiemsma back up and play him.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95339 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

Well if they are able to flip Gordon for Monroe, it shouldn't be difficult to move Anderson for a 3. The question is who do you target? Jeff Green? Wilson Chandler?


Depends who is available.


Denver fans are disenchanted with Chandler but they desperately want a 2 to replace Randy Foye rather than a 4.

The Clip Show is apparently offering Jared Dudley for salary relief. We could probably grab him with some remaining room or sending out one of our non-guaranteed contracts.

I don't see Jeff Green being a good fit for us considering we need long-distance shooting and that is not exactly his forte. I'm guessing that him and Evans in the same lineup will be a problem.


We could pick up Luol Deng as a FA if he was willing to take the MLE.
Posted by Spitting Venom
Member since Sep 2013
1110 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:09 pm to
In the last two years Green has shot around 36% from 3 on four attempts per game. Not bad. But it would be bad form to trade Ryno to Boston after his injury.
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24835 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:10 pm to
Well, if no one is going to offer a ham sammich, I suppose Monroe would work.

Dearest sandy of the Vag, please leave. Just pack your shite and leave.
Posted by adono
River Ridge
Member since Sep 2003
7307 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:23 pm to
quote:

Dearest sandy of the Vag, please leave. Just pack your shite and leave.


Amen!!
Posted by Spitting Venom
Member since Sep 2013
1110 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:24 pm to
Greg Monroe USA highlights. Just for fun.

LINK
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61484 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:25 pm to
Lots of AD(42) and Monroe (62) in those highlights. I didn't see anything jump out about the pairing other than Monroe created a lot of fast breaks that AD ended up finishing. But it was just one game.
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 4:31 pm
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
32957 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:29 pm to
quote:

As much as I'd love to have Monroe, I think sending Gordon to Detroit, Monroe to Houston and Asik to New Orleans makes the most sense for our team, and for everybody else to a certain extent.


Not sure if the money matches up. But that makes a lot of sense. I hate helping out Houston, but I think Asik is more valuable to us than Monroe.

Like someone said, it's more of getting rid of Gordon for a young guy with a pulse.

quote:

I don't think melo would want to be a 3rd wheel in HOU


Melo would never be third wheel anywhere. I could actually see him physically taking the ball away from Harden, pushing him away, waving Dwight to clear the lane, driving to the basket and then pulling up to take a 10 foot jumper.


Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61484 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:29 pm to
As far as Monroe and the team defense, The Bird Writes has a nice article up on the defense, and the most interesting part of the article to me was the flashback to Monty year 1 defense.



quote:

At its most simple form, Monty's defense could be characterized thusly- (1) lock Chris Paul, Trevor Ariza, and Emeka Okafor man-to-man on the opposition's primary ball handler, primary perimeter scorer, and primary big (2) everybody be ready to rotate. Even without watching a single game or defensive sequence, this sounds like a radical idea. If defensive positions fall away (as "everybody rotate" implies they must), mismatches are inherently implied. Monty's defensive philosophy was to keep rotations so crisp and frequent that in the event of a mismatch, help could swing over before significant damage was done.

The defensive system really resembled an amoeba- constant flow, fully interchangeable parts. It's why we saw David West and Jason Smith often patrolling the top of the key or Willie Green or Quincy Pondexter under the hoop. The key was for these things to happen quickly, for those occasional mismatches to be only a quick slide over away from turning into a thunderous Emeka Okafor block. The Hornets probably played less than half of their total defensive possessions in this full amoeba style, but the concept of constant flow permeated even their stricter man-to-man possessions. Such a free flowing system requires that the anchor points- Paul, Ariza, and Okafor- be extremely strong, but Monty Williams was brilliant to design the system around them, covering for the individual defensive weaknesses of his other players.


LINK

There's no reason Davis couldn't play the Okafor role and Monroe be a slow rotating David West. The team would still need to pick up a good 3 an D SF though.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95339 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:35 pm to
quote:

The team would still need to pick up a good 3 an D SF though.


"Good" is up for debate, but the Clip Show is trying to dump Jared Dudley since he didn't fit well there.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25515 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:50 pm to
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If they get Monroe, they need to move Anderson for wing help. I don't think he and Monroe can work defensively. And Anderson/Davis/Monroe is not sustainable. Playing Davis or Anderson at the 3 is just silly.


Anderson would still be coming off the bench and playing with only 1 of those guys, not both of them.

End of game situations would have Anderson and Monroe swapping out offense and defense. Monroe isn't a good foul shooter, around 66%.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 5:31 pm to
If Anderson is playing closer to 20 MPG, that is a waste of money. If he's getting ~30mpg, it's a tall order to have him and Monroe together for 15mpg.

And you're seriously betting on Monty to make swift and smart in game substitutions? That just isn't in his coaching bag of tricks, at this point at least.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
15176 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 6:49 pm to
quote:

If Anderson is playing closer to 20 MPG, that is a waste of money. If he's getting ~30mpg, it's a tall order to have him and Monroe together for 15mpg.


C 48
PF 48
96 min

AD 37
GM 30
RA 29
96 min

That's without anyone else playing any minutes at 4 or 5. Would be tough to pull off. People would be pissed at Monty.

ETA - I think Monroe could work both with Anderson and Davis. All three pairings seem to have solid strengths.
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 6:52 pm
Posted by Macintosh504
Leveraging Salaries University
Member since Sep 2011
52605 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 6:53 pm to
Gordon for Monroe str8 up is not good enough.. put stuckey in the pot and it's a deal.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
10387 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 7:16 pm to
We'd be lucky to land Monroe for Gordon. To be able to land a guy like Monrow who you could:

A: re-sign and add to the core.
B: flip for cap space or assets.

That's a lot more flexibility than what Gordon gives you.

Btw: Stuckey is a free agent. And it would be pointless to add a guy like him to a roster already full of ball dominant guards.
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 7:20 pm to
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full of ball dominant guards.


Roberts and Tyreke are the only ones that really fit that definition

Jrue/EG do fine off ball because they're very good outside shooters

Rivers was top 10 in catch and shoot percentage.

But yeah we don't need stuckey
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 8:04 pm to
quote:

Would be tough to pull off.


Yep.

quote:

People would be pissed at Monty


At this point, people would be pissed at the way he puts on his pants in the morning

quote:

I think Monroe could work both with Anderson and Davis. All three pairings seem to have solid strengths.


Offensively, absolutely. Defensively, even Anderson/Davis is a pair with a dodgy future; two slow, below the rim bigs like Monroe/Anderson even more so. They could work, but the roster and the scheme would need some retooling
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63492 posts
Posted on 5/19/14 at 8:19 pm to
Honestly, I really believe a talented, versatile 3 should be our primary goal. I mean, I wouldn't turn down a good deal involving a 5/4, but I think a SF that is a legit scorer (even our no. 3 option) and can provide lock down D is the thing that we need. I'm banking on development from Withey and, yes Anjinca, plus one more big, dependable body (solid player, no superstar) for rebounding and defense.
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