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re: Greg Monroe rumor
Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:04 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:04 pm to TigerinATL
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Afflalo for Monroe has always made the most sense if Orlando doesn't try to keep Afflalo.
Vucevic is really good and Monroe doesn't seem to be a great fit at PF. I can't see Orlando making a move for him.
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:50 pm to TigerinATL
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:16 pm to NOLAbaby
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The problem with keeping Monroe is that the Pistons have to extend Drummond next year. They tied up too much money in Jennings and Smith already if they give Monroe big money they won't have peaches to offer Drummond. The benefit of trading for Gordon is that his big money contract comes off the books at the same time they need big money to give to Andre. And hey, if EG works with them then great; if he doesn't they can segue into another path smoothly.
This is true actually
Hell he could even opt out next year(if he's dumb enough) and it's basically an expiring.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:51 pm to TigerinATL
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Monty being on the hotseat if we didn't beat Memphis early in the season (we did beat Memphis),
Why the hell was that the bench mark? BTW, how similar are Josh Smith and Raymond Felton's awful contracts?
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:15 am to JabarkusRussell
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BTW, how similar are Josh Smith and Raymond Felton's awful contracts?
Felton is at about 4 mil a year
Smith is near max(14 mil a year)
Felton might go to the pokey though with his weapon charges(you know how that flies in NY)
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:49 am to TheIrishFro
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Let's get DJ Augustin, Danny Granger, and Greg Monroe all to the Pelicans.
Just because they're local guys.
I got blasted all last season for suggesting that we should go after D.J. Augustin. I wonder how life is working out for him now.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 5:45 am to JabarkusRussell
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Why the hell was that the bench mark?
Because of where they fell on the schedule more than who they were. The team didn't get off to the best start remember? If it was true I think it was more "if you don't start winning by Friday when we play Memphis..."
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 5:46 am
Posted on 5/21/14 at 9:09 am to NOLAbaby
Jennings frees up $8M when Gordon would come off the books. Plus with an ever increasing cap, this isn't as much of a concern.
Bottom line is if SVG thinks Monroe fits with Drummond, they will keep him and look to unload Smith/Jennings for pennies.
ETA: Detroit has an absurdly clean cap sheet going forward. Only $42M committed for next year for basically a full roster. Can easily add Monroe's $$. $29M after that. Plus Drummond's max (and Davis's too) doesnt kick in until his 5th year, 2016/2017 season, when Smith is an expiring.
Bottom line is if SVG thinks Monroe fits with Drummond, they will keep him and look to unload Smith/Jennings for pennies.
ETA: Detroit has an absurdly clean cap sheet going forward. Only $42M committed for next year for basically a full roster. Can easily add Monroe's $$. $29M after that. Plus Drummond's max (and Davis's too) doesnt kick in until his 5th year, 2016/2017 season, when Smith is an expiring.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 9:15 am
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:10 am to corndeaux
Monroe is really the wrong guy to target on that team. If we want to flip Gordon, do it for J. Smith. The Pistons would actually got for that. For everyone in love with the "finishing 5" idea. Replace Gordon with Smith and the line-up looks like.. Holiday/Evans/Smith/Anderson/Davis.. That is two defensive demons in the front court. Plus Anderson would push Smith away from the 3pt line, where he is killing his career. That team actually fits together and isn't even that undersized.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:18 am to brmark70816
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Monroe is really the wrong guy to target on that team. If we want to flip Gordon, do it for J. Smith.
absolutely not
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The Pistons would actually got for that.
no shite
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That is two defensive demons in the front court.
SMith is not a good defender. He's a good shot blocker. He cannot gaurd any 3 in the NBA well. He is losing his athleticism, which will make him even worse on defense.
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Plus Anderson would push Smith away from the 3pt line, where he is killing his career.
Haha no he wouldn't. Smith is a cancer.
I woudl'nt want him if he made 4 million a year, much less 14.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 3:41 pm to TeddyPadillac
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The Pistons would actually got for that.
no shite
Gordon for Josh Smith makes a whole hell of a lot more sense for both sides than Gordon for Monroe, which SVG would laugh hysterically at.
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SMith is not a good defender
He had the most defensive win shares in the league two years ago as a PF.
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He cannot gaurd any 3 in the NBA well.
He shouldn't be playing the 3 at all...any team that were to acquire him should strictly do so to play the 4. Any question as to whether or not Smith could still play the 3 was put to rest.
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I woudl'nt want him if he made 4 million a year, much less 14.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 4:35 pm to brgfather129
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He shouldn't be playing the 3 at all...any team that were to acquire him should strictly do so to play the 4. Any question as to whether or not Smith could still play the 3 was put to rest.
first off we have enough 4's on this team, the last thing we need is a selfish, aging player that doesnt realize that opposing teams jump for joy when he takes the 18+ footers they purposely leave him open for.
why would you want to pay $14 mil to a guy not much better than Aminu.
trading for Josh Smith makes NO SENSE for the pelicans.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 4:44 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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why would you want to pay $14 mil to a guy not much better than Aminu.
oh lawd
Posted on 5/21/14 at 7:59 pm to brmark70816
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That team actually fits together and isn't even that undersized.
It rarely happens between us, but I agree completely.
The move has some serious question marks (cap space, Smith's game aging, Monty committing to that type of team), but the fit on the court is not one of them.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 8:08 pm to brmark70816
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Monroe is really the wrong guy to target on that team. If we want to flip Gordon, do it for J. Smith. The Pistons would actually got for that. For everyone in love with the "finishing 5" idea. Replace Gordon with Smith and the line-up looks like.. Holiday/Evans/Smith/Anderson/Davis.. That is two defensive demons in the front court. Plus Anderson would push Smith away from the 3pt line, where he is killing his career. That team actually fits together and isn't even that undersized.
Mother of god.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:57 pm to brmark70816
Josh Smith is as much a 3 as Ryan Andersen i.e. he's not. That's why Detroit wants to move him.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:55 am to JabarkusRussell
It is the same philosophy as when you have a really big PG or a really undersized SG. You flip on the other end of the floor. Pairing Anderson and Smith together allows each to flourish in a role on offense, but totally switch up on the other end of the floor. I don't see a down side.
The idea that J. Smith has lost a step or is a bad player is just laughable. He made the playoffs 6 straight seasons. Detroit is just a bad fit and that team has no direction. Being the 3rd or 4th option here and allowed to do what he does best (crash the boards and swat shots) is just what we need..
The idea that J. Smith has lost a step or is a bad player is just laughable. He made the playoffs 6 straight seasons. Detroit is just a bad fit and that team has no direction. Being the 3rd or 4th option here and allowed to do what he does best (crash the boards and swat shots) is just what we need..
Posted on 5/22/14 at 7:39 am to brmark70816
Smith is to SF/PF like Evans is to PG/SG
2 guys who love to shoot but are bad at it
But both have talents that they put on the back burner in order to "get buckets"
If smith embraced his athleticism and focused on playing D, rebounding, blocking shots and facilitating and getting points close to the rim, he'd be great.
If he were to come here this team would probably be a clusterfrick. After a season none of these guys still don't have any defined roles on this team due to injuries. And if you trade Gordon you still need a SG
2 guys who love to shoot but are bad at it
But both have talents that they put on the back burner in order to "get buckets"
If smith embraced his athleticism and focused on playing D, rebounding, blocking shots and facilitating and getting points close to the rim, he'd be great.
If he were to come here this team would probably be a clusterfrick. After a season none of these guys still don't have any defined roles on this team due to injuries. And if you trade Gordon you still need a SG
Posted on 5/22/14 at 7:40 am to brmark70816
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The idea that J. Smith has lost a step or is a bad player is just laughable.
he has and he's an average player that doesn't know his limitations and a bad attitude.
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Being the 3rd or 4th option here and allowed to do what he does best (crash the boards and swat shots) is just what we need..
That woudln't be bad if thats what he would do. Problem is he's an idiot and thinks he should be taking 15 shots a game, mostly 18 footers. I laugh everytime he shoots, just like when Kenyon Martin use to take jumpers. The defense is basically baiting them to do it, and they are dumb enough to do it and then everyone laughs at how dumb they are when they shoot and no one challenges the shot b/c they are going get the rebound.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 8:05 am to brmark70816
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I don't see a down side.
$14,000,000 $14,000,000 $14,000,000 $14,000,000
Career 3P% 27.9
eFG% 47.6
His PER last year: 14.1
I don't know, I could see a downside.
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