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re: Which team has a brighter future, Celtics or Timberwolves?

Posted on 4/18/16 at 12:47 pm to
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 12:47 pm to
As of now, it's the T-Wolves. If the Celtics manage to add a star player then obviously that changes things, but the Wolves in my mind the best young big in the game. He has as much potential as any PF/C in the NBA since Duncan. I think the Celtics are set up to be a solid team but not a great team. The Wolves have the better players to build around.
Posted by northern
Member since Jan 2014
1360 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

They're both cold weather cities with a very small black population.


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Do you have anything to back this up?


Boston
Avg High: 58.8
Avg Low: 44.1

Pop. White: 52.9%
Pop. Black: 24.1%

Minneapolis
Avg. High: 55.2
Avg. Low: 37.2

Pop. White: 63.8%
Pop. Black: 18.6%



ETA: This was meant as sarcasm and a very literal view of statistics. You know what they say about statistics...

For reference:
Miami
Avg. High: 84.3
Avg. Low: 70.0

Pop. White: 72.6%*
Pop. Black: 11.9%

* Includes White-Hispanics. Miami: 11.9% non-Hispanic white or Caucasian population.

Los Angeles
Avg. High: 75.2
Avg. Low: 55.7

Pop. White: 49.8%
Pop. Black: 9.6%
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 1:03 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278250 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 12:57 pm to
no no no mate, not you too!

Since Garnett left they had the opportunities to build around Al Jefferson, then Al Jeff + Love, then they brought in Rubio, later drafted Derrick Williams. failed with the Anthony Bennett experiment. It's like every time they have attempted to build a team around a star player, they have went to shite. I dont see how people have faith that they build a winner here.

Boston just won 48 games. FORTY EIGHT, MATE!
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
22399 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:03 pm to
Boston. They have Brad Stevens. He is the 2nd best coach in the NBA. Which is saying a lot cause the number 1 guy is probably the best coach in sports.

Also I would agree that the Twolves have a better core of young studs...however...Boston will always be able to sign big name guys. They could be a top the east overnight with a few big FA signings.
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
33925 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:05 pm to
Paul Pierce: "There’s a lot of guys, in the past, who look at Boston as racist. It’s kind of been labeled that way."

Cedric Maxwell: “I don’t think Boston has a monopoly on racism in the United States, but the perception is that Boston is the most racist around and that’s not the case.”

Michael Wilbon: "You have this history of bigotry against African-American people in Boston. The only place I’ve ever been confronted, multiple times, and been called the n-word to my face, is specifically the Boston Garden…. The fact is, Boston has that history, and black players know that, and they do not want to go voluntarily to Boston.”

Stephen A. Smith: "From the African-American athletes I speak to, it’s accurate to say that the perception is out there. There are the Paul Pierces of the world, and they rave about Boston. But, from the outside looking in…it’s extremely prevalent and pretty much common that athletes think Boston is not that receptive to improving race relations.”


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Matt Keller: As usual, another free agency period has come and gone without the Celtics attracting a big name free agent (still waiting on the first one, if you don’t count an over-the-hill Dominique Wilkins). I emailed Going Deep Sports contributing editor Greg Huber to ask him for his quick list on why a free agent wouldn’t sign in Boston and won’t in the future. Here are his responses in the exact order he sent them…my thoughts are in parentheses and italics.

– There are no decent strip clubs. (Ok, right to the point. Certainly true. Boston may be the un-strip clubbiest city this side of Taliban territory)

– There is no decent nightlife… for a recognizable celebrity that is. You can have yourself a hell of a time if you are a 21-35 year-old white guy who is completely anonymous…or a hockey player (same thing?). (It just isn’t a city that caters to the needs of the modern celebrity. Pretty much the opposite of LA.)

– There is no young, black, affluent community. (Like none. This also plays a role in the strip club/nightlife question. Anyone in the city with money is basically an anonymous, buttoned-down white guy; so all entertainment options are geared toward that demographic. This also means that almost any NBA player would stick out a like a sore thumb in any neighborhood they would want to live in.)

– The weather sucks. (Can’t argue with that)

– The girls are ugly. (Ever been to Miami or LA? Ever been to Boston? Ok, good. Lets move on.)

– The media is brutal. (Besides the rank hypocrisy and savage intensity the media shows on a daily basis – which is true for most cities to some degree – there is the fact that the average media member in Boston is not exactly sympathetic to the plight of the young black athlete. There are big exceptions – Bob Ryan for one – but there is a lot of glorification of traditional white traits (hustle, etc.) and minimization of traditional black traits (physical dominance). People are usually subtle, but it often leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.)

– You are living in a fricking fishbowl. (Many of our readers traverse the streets of Boston on a daily basis, but for those who don’t, or have never been, here is a little primer: The “Manhattan” (nice, walkable, livable, upper-income section) of Boston is made up of a series of neighborhoods that were built in the 1600s and 1700s and are fairly tiny. There is nowhere else in the city to go for a good time. Everyone in the city knows every neighborhood in the city and can probably get there in 10 minutes. The lack of VIP rooms and fancy clubs is apparent. So are uber-luxury hotels and pretty much anything sexy. Luxury is considered 17th Century Beacon Hill Townhouse, not ultra-modern high rises. Also, almost everyone walking around is a rabid sports fan who will not hesitate to verbally accost you and share your location via social media. On top of that, there is a rabid media that treats every day like end of the world. Some embrace it and some don’t. Just be warned.)

– Most people around the country, or at least the NBA, see Boston as a racist city, and while I think the city has changed, there is some truth to it. (The city is segregated more than blatantly racist, although I am not sure if that is an improvement. Both in the city and suburbs, there is a serious divide along racial lines when it comes to housing. I used to live on a half white, half black street in Medford, and I was acutely aware of how rare that was. So, any black player coming to Boston and the surrounding area will find himself constantly surrounded by white people who didn’t grow up with, or around, black people, some of whom are actually actively racist. I know racism is a fact of life everywhere, but I couldn’t imagine say Portland or LA or San Fran being as bad as Boston. There is a popular line of thinking and commentary that steers clear of delving into racism, but presents a point-of-view that isn’t exactly welcoming the average NBA star. One might even say this piece by The Minister is an ideal example.)


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Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278250 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:15 pm to
do you think there are more blacks in Boston or Oklahoma City?
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:27 pm to
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Boston just won 48 games. FORTY EIGHT, MATE!


Mate, how much better do you expect them to be? I don't see them as a threat to contend until they add a star player.

I'll take Towns. I think he will be better than KG when it's all said and done.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36107 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:12 pm to
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Garnett and Allen were traded to the Celtics. Neither player signed with the Celtics as a free agent. The Celtics were also one of the worst teams in the NBA at the time so it's unlikely either player would have signed with them if they had been on the open market.



That's a bit misleading. KG and Ray were pretty clearly only going there because Allen, Garnett, and Pierce were going to team up and contend for real success. Lebron James was technically "traded" to Miami from Cleveland if you need a comparison - but that was also functionally a big name player forcing his way over to a new team to win more games.
Posted by okietiger
Chelsea F.C. Fan
Member since Oct 2005
40967 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:15 pm to
I actually think Scott Brooks would be a brilliant hire to get Minny over the hump.

OKC's offense has been better without him but defense has suffered. The man knows D (not ghey).
Posted by floridatigah
FL
Member since Oct 2004
10395 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:36 pm to
You're going to "well, actually" that guy and then compare KG having to be convinced by Wolves ownership to waive his no trade clause to Lebron going to Miami?
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278250 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:50 pm to
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Mate, how much better do you expect them to be? I don't see them as a threat to contend until they add a star player.




they have cap money and trade chips (three 1st RD picks in this draft and 8 overall) to sign Durant and put a pretty damn good player(s) next to him.

on top of having Brad Stevens and coming off 48wins
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59690 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:51 pm to
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I actually think Scott Brooks would be a brilliant hire to get Minny over the hump.


He just lost his job because he couldn't get OKC over the hump with better talent than he will have in Minny. what hump are you talking about? Making the playoffs? There's a bunch of coaches who could get that team in the playoffs in the next couple years.
Posted by TheSexecutioner
Member since Mar 2011
5247 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 3:07 pm to
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I'm having a hard time understanding your post, but Allen and Garnett were both acquired via trade.


It was a de facto super star meetup to get a title in Boston. Perhaps not technically a trade, but when's the last somebody did that in an unattractive city that Lebron was not born in?
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
18981 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 3:22 pm to
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they have cap money and trade chips (three 1st RD picks in this draft and 8 overall) to sign Durant and put a pretty damn good player(s) next to him.

on top of having Brad Stevens and coming off 48wins
I would take a chance on Cousins if I were them
Posted by GeauxWarTigers
Auburn
Member since Oct 2010
18046 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 4:08 pm to
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I would take a chance on Cousins if I were them


Many fans are hoping they do. Just depends on what it takes to get him.
Posted by floridatigah
FL
Member since Oct 2004
10395 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 4:39 pm to
Les, do you think something like a Thomas, butler, Horford core could win a title in the next 5 years with Stevens at the helm? Durant still feels unrealistic but something like that feels attainable with the pieces they have.
Posted by Spitting Venom
Member since Sep 2013
1110 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 5:15 pm to
I think it's possible. They'd have the best defensive backcourt in the league with Avery Bradley, Jimmy Butler and Marcus Smart. Instant offense off the bench with Isaiah Thomas.

Stevens is obviously the game changer here.
Posted by Starchild
Member since May 2010
13550 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 5:19 pm to
This one is tough. To me Boston is and should continue to be deeper and have one of the best young coaches out there. They need to add a true star player though which I think they could with the pieces they have and just being the Celtics.

Minny has the better core today. Lavine and Wiggins will be solid and perennial all stars, and KAT is about 2 years away from being one of the top 5 players in the league. They need a good coach though ... if they can pull one of JVG, Thibs, or Blatt I think they'll get really good real quick.

Today I'd lean towards the TWolves just because their roster has a bigger upside
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 5:22 pm to
Minnesota and it really isn't even close.

They already have two guys with the potential to be absolute superstars, plus Zach Lavine post ASG was pretty damn good too.

Coaching won't we be an issue. They'll have the absolute pick of the litter because of their roster.

Boston has done some nice things, but until they actually hit on one of the picks or acquire someone we are getting way ahead of ourselves.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35289 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 5:26 pm to
Are people forgetting that Boston will likely have a top 3 pick this year?

They are gonna add a potential superstar to their team in a couple of months.
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